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QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Torii Hunter: Drools.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 10:27 AM) I think so. He PM'ed me and told me KW will soon acquire Halladay, Oswalt, and Vlad in a 4 team deal: Sox Get: Vladimir Guerrero, Roy Oswalt, Roy Halladay Angels Get: A Rubber-band Astros Get: Stapler w/0 Staples Blue Jays Get: Envelop Opener Sox gave up way too much. Angels refused to accept Timo in the trade, going for the Grade A Rubber Band instead. If Kenny sticks to his guns, the Sox have one more rubberband and one less Timo Perez.

The Jenks call was the right call. However, if the Sox call up Jon Adkins before they call up Jeff Bajenaru I'll be sick to my stomach. No iffs ands or butts. Adkins isn't any good and doesn't deserve the spot as much as Baj. Still Adkins will get the spot because Ozzie likes giving jobs to people he's familiar with or more so (Not saying thats a negative, but its the way he tends to go about things).

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 18, 2005 -> 06:40 PM) Jason, I agree on clearing a spot on the 40 man by deignating Shingo - good point. But there's no option wasted on Jenks, only one option is used for the entire year. Ya, but if the Sox don't designate Shingo, they have to send Jenks down (which would use up one of his options). Because they didn't have to send him down, Jenks will still carry 3 full options.

The SOx just cleared another spot on the 40 man roster. If this doesn't make you think a move is on its way, I don't know what will. Thats the only reason why the Sox make this move as opposed to optioning him to the minors (if they option him he stays on the 40 man roster, obviously the Sox want some more flexibility and removed him). Could be a pending trade or it could be Kenny knows he's gonna do something sooner or later so might as well just do it now (without having to waste an option on Jenks).

His website gets updated in the mornings usually. On a sidenote maybe its not his radio show I listend to. I swear he did the late night show most nights but it must be someone else that does it now or something. I know he does the weekend night show for any Fox Sports affilate though.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 09:27 PM) You can still get Big League Chew in the South. I bought about 5 packs when I was in Houston. I can see Tex and Kapkomet getting an assload of Pm's in the morning

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 09:21 PM) He is pretty damn fat. I have heard his show a few times and it's pretty solid in my opinion. What do you think of him? I listen to his show most nights while I go to sleep. Pretty solid. Haven't listened lately though, been listening to George Noory.

I'm thinking I'm going to get home from work tomorrow and am going to be reading about quite a bit of stuff (or potential trades).

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) Re that WHIP list: How was El Duque before he went down with that injury and struggled in the starts around it/inbetween DL stints? His WHIP has been awful all season.

Ben Maller has a radio show as well as a rumor website (www.benmaller.com). Very interesting though.

Well its looking like I was wrong on the Santana/Radke aspect, although how much I don't know. I still think Santana is awesome though. Buehrle has just really stepped it up and Garcia is definately pitching more like he's capable of. Basically put though, for the most part I think my commetns were pretty accurate. I think I have been relatively dead on in terms of my El Duque assesment and than in regards to one of Contreras/Garland needing to step up for the Sox to really take off (which happened). I was also one of the people always preaching that the Sox didn't lose near the offense that experts claimed they did (specifically power). Hell, I'm thinking Soxtalk should write a column for ESPN

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 08:58 PM) About a month ago I was at the grocery store and I saw a box of those on sale, and I bought them. They were such a huge treat when I was little. Not quite as delicious as I remember, but still quite tasty. I also really liked Bubble Tape (6 feet of fun), tongue splashers, sour patch kids, and the afore mentioned Ecto Cooler (that I was oddly thinking about just a couple days ago). Oh, and you could get the Bazooka Joe for a penny at the drugstore by my house and I looooooved those comics. Hell, I still eat sour patch kids

QUOTE(Soxnbears01 @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 08:42 PM) freeze pops syrup + water = good Otter Pops were the s***.

Squeeze it was the s***. Of course I still like the kapri suns. Those rock...still do too And button candy...that was good s*** as a kid. Don't know why either, cause usually you were eating a bunch of paper to go along with it

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 07:43 PM) But the Angels did have a great offense, and in fact they averaged 6.3 runs/game which is only slightly below the 6.4 runs/gm put up by Boston last year. I actually think we're closer to the Marlins, as we'll have to rely on dominant starting pitching and just enough timely hitting to win us games. All I'm saying is we'll benefit more by finding another good starter than having 5 closers with Buehrle/Garland/Garcia already on the staff. How many relievers did the Marlins use besides Looper (who wasn't very good), Urbina, and Chad Fox? And who thinks Ozzie won't let the starters go deep into games? It all depends, if you use 4 starters, than you better have a stronger bullpen. However, you go 3 starters than you take the risk of burning your rotation, but you probably can use less relievers cause you may get better starts (cause your using your aces more). Of course that could totally backfire. Personally, for the most part I'd plan on using 4 starters, unless the rest matched up. I'm not a big fan of guys going on less rest cause more times than not, they aren't as effective. I mean, the Angels go nowhere without their pen. There starting in the playoffs was awful and there pen had a few incidents, but they had some timely hitting and quite frankly a very lethal bullpen.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 07:43 PM) What kind of stuff did you hear? I was told that he had more zip than usual and had better command. Command has been the big thing thats bothering him, but from all intents and purposes, the big thing is he's supposedly 100%.

If hte Sox got all 3 player, to me it would be the only move they'd make. Unless of course they dealt Marte, in which case they probably would still be in the market for a reliever. However, the acquisition of Lowell would put to rest any trade talk for a new middle infielder (imo, unless the Sox have a plan on bringing some other team into the picture, like the Pads, who quite possibly would be intrigued with the idea of Lowell), and it would probably put a rest to the rotation. It be a really ballsy and risky move though cause you really don't know how it will effect the team. But right now, I think Kenny is and to an extent has to be looking at post-season right now and seeing what makes this team more likely to win in October.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 07:37 PM) IF there is substance to this rumor, if I am KW, I am sitting in my office thinking "hmmm ... who would I rather have facing the Red Sox or Yankees or Angels in October, AJ Burnett or Jose Contreras?". The way I see it, both are the type of pitcher that can go in and shut down any team in baseball. I mean stuff wise, both are brilliant (better than anyone on the Sox staff). What the Sox have to ask is which of the two are better. Personally I lean to Burnett, especially with the drastic improvements he's made to his changeup (he's starting to control it pretty good as well). Plus Burnett is finally getting back to 100% and should get better. I also think the SOx feel he has a better chance at putting the total package together as opposed to Contreras. Thats at least the way I look at it if the deal goes down. Remember, Ozzie, Kenny, Coop and AJ are around this guy all the time (Kenny less than the others) and if they don't think he'll ever get it than this may be the time to move him and upgrade the position in there mind. Hell like I said, I actually have a sneaking suspicion that Duque is going to come out and pitch pretty well from here on out (don't ask me why either, but I heard some good things about his outing down in Charlotte).

One thing about Lowell is his numbers have gone up ever month thus far. Mota just came off the DL and fell out of love with McKeon, but when on is one of the best Righty relievers in the game and Burnett has been worse away from Florida, he still gets a ton of k's and limits the opponents to fewer than a hit per inning. I think this really hinges on how much the Sox dislike Contreras and if he's dealt, it tells you that they just don't think he'll ever figure it out. I'm not saying it will be a good move, we don't know, but if he's dealt, you can book it on the fact that Cooper, AJ, Ozzie and Kenny were just fed up with him and his pitching style. The only thing I don't like is the Sox giving up Marte in the deal. Thats what makes me cringe. I'm not as concerned with giving up prospects, especially if the rumors are true and the Sox would sign AJ long term.

I do buy into the Sox being potential front-runners for Burnett. However, I just don't see them taking on Lowell, nor do I see them moving Contreras. Than again, despite his last start, I don't think the Sox are exactly thrilled with Count.

Well if the marlins guy is right he says the Sox will be signing him to an extension for it to happen. I just don't like the idea of giving up Contreras. I do think Burnett is slightly better than Jose, but some of you have brought up some good points, mainly the fact that Contreras hasn't had heatlh issues. If its Contreras, Bmac, Anderson, and a prospect for AJB, Lowell, and Mota than I'd probably do it. Burnett's a little better, Lowell could do a lot (although I still am puzzled at this, cause frankly Sox don't need him), and well Mota would give the Sox one more very good reliever. I still would absolutely prefer to keep Contreras and move Duque if the Sox are that dead set on another pitcher. I must say though, I do think Burnett will benefit from having AJP behind the plate.

Iowa has a pretty well balanced roster. If Alford can't do it this year, he's definately gone. And if Haluska develops...they could be a big time sleeper in the Big 10 (I think Haluska is destined to become one of Iowa's better all time players).

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 05:46 PM) Very solid reasoning. The price might be high [with guys like Tracey, Jenks, Sweeney/ Young, BMac for a SP] yet those two additions would complete the sox Exactly...I'd think the Sox would be able to hold onto Young/Bmac/Jenks while losing one of Sweeney/Anderson, than a guy like Owens, Tracey, maybe Valido. Plus the Sox could be open to dealing Viz and Shingo. Basically put I have no complaints. Sox could make those moves while holding onto the few guys they like the most. Plus the Sox have a lot of depth in the lower levels and you have to give something to get something. But considering what it would cost to get that top tier starter, this really isn't that much and it will truly strengthen the club. A strong bullpen will be a major asset down the strecth and an even bigger asset in the post-season. It allows a team to really shut the door of a game as well as keep a team in the game. And a pen with the main cogs as Hermy/Wagner/Marte/Politte/Cotts and than on the outside of that Jenks is pretty stinking ridiculous.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 17, 2005 -> 05:35 PM) I also really, really like it. I said about a week ago that I was a little hesistaint for the Sox to go out and get the superstar player, this team just isn't about that IMO. Getting Omar gives us a possibily better 2 hole hitter than we have now in Tad, and obviously that is pretty hard to do. My concern is what happens to Joe. I guess he could go into one of the Omar/Wagner deal. Omar at SS, with Uribe at 3b, and Freel and Pablo backing up the Infeild would be great. With Wagner, its pretty clear on the upgrade he would be over a Shingo/Viz combo. You asked if anyone could imagine a pen of Cotts/Marte/Wagner/Pollitte/Hermanson/Jenks?, and it would be just goofy. Game over in the 6th, over. Get it done KW, this is doable. I think you keep playing Joe. He's too valuable to this team (his average may not be great, although he's made a lot of strides offensively this year). You play Vizquel at SS and let Uribe start 4 games a week or so. 2 games a week for Crede (to give his back some rest) and than a game a week for Omar and a game a week for Guchi). Acquiring Omar also spells the end for Willie as Pablo is a much more versatile back-up since he can play all infield positions as well as left field. I just hope Kenny does deal any intregal parts to this years team. They have something special going and I'd hate to see them hurt their defense or weaken a bunch of other areas just to help out in one area. Contenders don't trade from their major league roster (not usually at least...I understand how the Cabrera for Nomar deal worked out though).