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QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 9, 2005 -> 08:29 AM) They've got to be just looking at the numbers. Explain it to them this way, Zach Day = Kirk Saarloos He's better than Saarloos, imo. Those that are just looking at numbers are dead wrong on Zach Day, when the kid is healthy he can pitch and he's a much better option this year than Brandon McCarthy. I think this would be a very good move assuming the Sox aren't giving up anything too grand. The only thing is I can't see the Sox throwing cash into this deal because thats not there MO. This would be a good move because it gives the Sox a much needed insurance option (plus when healthy he's a good pitcher) not to mention he could also be packaged up with a good prospect for something else.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 09:10 AM) In his sixth season of A-ball he was. He's too old for the list because he was playing in A-ball, not AAA. If he has a great second-half in Charlotte, he may start moving into the picture near the bottom of the list, but after that many years of toiling in the minors, it takes quite a move for someone like that to make a prospect list. Ya, if he ends up hitting even close to what he was doing down in WS than he'll quickly move up the list as a guy who has a future in the bigs. How much of a future, who knows, but I'm not going to even think about that until he destroys the International League

With a day of now cooling, I've moved the AJ Burnett thread into here. However, later today I'm probably going to open up a Trade Rumor Subforum on PHT where people can have seperate threads for seperate rumors. We'll kind of experiment with it during the month of July.

This sounds pretty solid to me. I'm probably Gordon's biggest detractor cause I think he's quite possibly one of the most over-rated players in the NBA (cause he's so stinking one dimensional) and this would give the Bulls a good shooting guard to go with Kirk and Deng and you'd be able to keep Gordon coming off the bench (I think it will be a while before he ever learns to play enough defense to start). This also means Kirk can go back to guarding PG's, which will be at least semi easier for him. Deng is a quality defender (imo) and lets see what Finley can do when he's pressed to defend. Defense isn't necessarily having extra skill, its more putting the effort in and when your in a system where everyone else plays defense, your gonna be motivated to play, imo (I could be wrong though). However, the key to this deal is the Bulls finding an additional bigman. If they could add a Donyell or someone like Dalembert than I'd do this in a heartbeat. One thing, I don't know the status of Finley's contract, but this would end the Bulls chances of having money two years from now or at least I think it would.

Thread cleaned up a bit.

Cleveland may be on the list because a lot of people had them being this good. I mean people can be surprised at the Sox but at the same time you had to look at the team and realize if some of there guys lived up to their potenital that they'd have a pretty damn good team. Of course you could say that about a lot of clubs.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 08:28 PM) Lemon was a joke as dan alluded to. He's my adopt a prospect because I absolutely hated the draft pick last year. Valido I put that low because I'm completely unsure of his defense. What's it like? I've admittedly never seen the kid play. I thought I remembered him being the least highly thought of in terms of glove of our middle infield prospects. I see he only has 7 errors, but that means nothing to me. When Valido was drafted he was thought of as major league ready defensively. I figured it was just a typical bs hype line but I remember seeing him play a few games and sitting there going damn. The one thing all of the Sox good middle infield prospects have in common is that they are silky smooth defensively. They all have mental lapses on the more routine stuff and have to work on consistency, but at the same time they all have good range and arms and in Valido's case he is a very smart defensive player. I saw a few times where he made some real heady plays. Of course my favorite thing watching was down in WS when Gonzo and Lopez were a double play tandem. Could lord could you see some plays made there.

QUOTE(Randar68 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 08:25 PM) Welcome to the internet. I just want to know how many of these people in the comments that are impressed or unimpressed by certain prospects have ever seen them play in person. I'm guessing only a couple. You think Sickels has actually seen any of these guys? Ummmm... no. Has Sickels seen Fancisco Hernandez, who, incidentally had made the adjustments and had starting hitting the ball much more consistently the 2-3 weeks before Lucy came off the DL??? Wes Whisler rated that high to begin with? He hasn't been healthy and neither has Lumsden. Rogo is a better prospect than most anyone gives him credit for. If Young ends up showing a more consistent approach at the plate and hitting in the .280 range at the end of the year, how is he not in the top 3 prospects? I have him around 5 right now and I have him much higher than Sweeney in terms of ceiling. Anyway, any jabroni with a computer can now post top 10 and 20 lists despite never seeing any of these guys play. Just because his name is John Sickels doesn't mean he isn't just blabbing about something he doesn't have first hand knowledge of... No doubt after seeing that list I was left shaking my head. I don't know what the hell he was watching or even reading.

QUOTE(drowninginflame @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 07:54 PM) My dream job would be as a closer and I would come out in the 9th to reign in blood by slayer If that wouldn't get everyone ready, I don't know what does. I think the gong was so much better than hermanson's back in black, that sucks. Back in Black

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:51 AM) Ok right now, if you could deal El Duque, Damaso Marte and Sean Tracey for a locked up A.J Burnett would you do it? Abso-freakin-lutely I would. Ya, like I said I'd deal them Bmac instead of Tracey and throw in Owens as well if he were locked up. I think Burnett is awesome.

Also want to say, Sox are going to make two moves at most, imo. One for a starter, one for a reliever. The only exception to that is if a position player gest injured or if the Sox get Vizquel. That or if some super star offensive player is available and Kenny can get him. You know damn well Kenny is looking to add one more very very good player. Burnett is the best guy on the market and would be a sweet pickup.

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QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:42 AM) I hope so. That's what made the FG trade so great, getting FG locked up. If they lock him up long term, I'd be so stinking giddy over that deal. Heck, anyone think they'd have some interest in Duque. Sox are frustrated with Duque, they deal Duque, Marte, and say Gio or Tracey plus a guy like Owens. The deal gives the Marlins some help in the future but it also helps the Marlins this year because they get a guy that can pitch for them down the stretch (Duque) as well as Marte who can be an asset for them in the pen. And if they lock him up long term and the Marlins were sticklers, if worse came to worse I'd give them an Anderson or Bmac instead of Gio or Tracey to get it done. This is only if he were signed long term or at least if the Sox were going to give it a gung ho effort. Than they could turn their attention to picking up a lefty reliever.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:34 AM) I just think it's more likely the Sox would deal an Anderson or Sweeney before McCarthy at the moment, even though he's bombed in his brief time up here. Of course if the Marlins wanted someone like Chris Young or Jerry Owens without us giving up B-Mac, than that makes things a whole lot more interesting. I'd probably trade Anderson or Sweeney before trading Young.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:32 AM) Who's this mysterious LH OF? Thats why I said Sweeney.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:29 AM) I honestly think this senerio could REALLY, REALLY happen. Sox land A.J Burrnet for Marte,Bmac, and OF prospect(don't think Anderson or Sweeny because of Bmac in the deal.) Sox get Guardado(take Marte's LHP role.) That would put the Sox in business and I think they'd be more so set for the stretch run. Plus you know what Kenny's been indicating and its that he wants more pitching on this club. You never know what can happen and I don't think he wants to take any chances. Adding a starter and reliever of that caliber would be huge.

Ok, lets assume...Marte, Tracey or Gio, and Sweeney for Burnett. Who here pulls the trigger on that deal? I'm basing this off what Rosenthal said the Marlins were interested in (in terms of pieces) as well as the fact that the Sox would refuse to give up Bmac. If thats the case I'd pull the trigger on this deal, however I'd hope the Sox would try to reup with AJ. All that said, even if they didn't I'd still be really tempted to make this trade, especially if they then pulled the trigger on a deal for Wagner or another solid left handed reliever. Marte is good, but Burnett is very good and would give the Sox a filthy rotation.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) Edited for the truth I gotta give you credit for that one...I set myself up and you took advantage

QUOTE(The Ginger Kid @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) I'd hate to lose Damaso, but with Cotts pitching so well, who knows? Sporting News If this move goes down I'd do it, assuming Kenny is confident he could pull a Wagner or Guardado from his sleeve.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:11 AM) A good friend of ours got married on 10/30 last which would have been the 7th game of the WS had there been one and he is a huge Cardinals fan. He warned everyone that he wouldn't be at the reception if there was a game 7 too. If that were me and the Sox made it, my future wife would be out of luck cause she'd be at the alter by herself

I apprecaite it spiff.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 12:03 AM) Why are they so tiny? So what, are you telling me that size matters

QUOTE(Steff @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:13 AM) And here it is ON SOXTALK and the same thing is happening.. Please.. call a spade a spade. There are b****ers, whiners, and jerkoffs on BOTH sites. And of course Gods (referring to myself of course)

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jul 7, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) Straight for the top? Are you abdicating the throne? Here is footage of the admins and mods at the last tailgate