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Wishing you the best Baj

QUOTE(HoosierSox @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 04:11 PM) How old is BMac. I heard 24 and 21 today. Which one is it? 21

IT happened last year I thought. Can't think of who it was. I know Chuck Finley has done it a few times. Or maybe it was Colon two years ago.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 01:29 PM) In North Dakota? or even Iowa? Now, if they are 6'5 200 with a great jump shot, I'll give you that I'm sure Lebron in 8th grade could kick my ass in basketball.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 09:44 PM) Here is a nice article on Rashad McCants. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story...=jackson/050314 By the way, does anyone NOT have NC State beating Charlotte? Thats almost a no brainer to me, I'm just wondering if others see it different. I picked NC STate, but you just cursed that pick for me Chris I like NC State as a team that could make some noise.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) You have Iowa beating Cinci, UK, and OU? Wait, my bad...I have them losing to OU and beating Kentucky.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:38 PM) I think if we have learned anything over KW's tenure it's that he will trade anybody if he thinks he can improve the team. It all comes down to what KW thinks we'll need to get past the Twins in the 2nd 1/2. If he thinks Vazquez at the cost of Koney will do more good than harm he'll do that trade. Jason, this team has not had a better than 500 road record since 2000. It's senseless to ignore that fact & how it has done in the Sox the past 4 yrs. I took another look at Koney's road stats & they are better than his 04 #'s but again if your #4 hitter only puts up a 750OPS #'s on the road your team's at a disadvantage. Putting that aside do you think Koney is going to sign for anything less than 5 yrs & if you were KW would you sign him to that? Again we can't ignore the $ Glaus, Beltre, & Drew got this off-season. I think it would be a mistake to commit 40M/5 yr to Koney. Those teams didn't have a 5th starter. So instead you suggest dealing one of the Sox starters and putting Bmac in right for the stretch run??? There is only one thing that beat the Sox the past few years and it was there pitching and themselves. It had nothing to do with Paulie. Think about it, good teams win on the road because they have pitching and a bullpen and the Sox didn't have that the past few years. This year they may just have it. I know they got a darn good bullpen, we'll see how El Duque, Contreras and JG do. And no, Kenny isn't stupid. If they are in this he'd deal prospects, he wouldn't deal Konerko. You don't improve your team trading Konerko for Vazquez. Its pretty much a wash.

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) The walk that he gave up was to Figgins and the only reason it came went to a 3 ball count was because the umpire completely blew a 1 ball 2 strike curve that caught all of the plate. It was such a nice curve that I thing the ump was as frozen as Chone. Ya, they showed the replay and it definately caught the strike. It was a sweet backdoor curve. Stoney made a funny comment saying if that pitch wasn't called a strike when he was on the mound his career would of lasted half an inning.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) This is simple, nobody. We finally have some starting pitching depth and Brandon could still use some time at charlotte. If Brandon continues to dominate in aaa which I'm sure he will and the scenario arrives where he gets his shot in the majors and continues to impress then we look into some trade possibilites.

Ozuna had a double today and made a decent play. One thing I notice is his arm isn't near as good as Uribe's, but whose is, lol.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) Only 1 on wgn. But then the Cubs have 1 right? And its a Cubs-Sox game??

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) We play Arizona next monday. Could be that game, but I doubt ESPN is in a hurry to televise a Sox/D'Backs game. That may be it. I know they said they would be there next week. I sure as hell hope so. That be so sick to see 2 Sox games on ESPN spring training. My guess is they want to show different teams though. But this was the 2nd time I"ve seen the Angels on ESPN so who knows. Stoney said he'd be in the booth too.

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:17 PM) They had a post game follow up on ESPN News after the game with Stoney and Brentley...they talked mostly about the Cubs injuried pitchers and then steriods...I guess the Sox can't win no matter what eh? Oh no, they said so many nice things about the Sox today. They were all drooling over Bmac, in fact they brought him up into the booth and were really kind. I enjoyed the broadcast even though Brantley and SToney made some mistakes. Ie, stoney talking about how great Krod's curve is...when its his slider thats unhittable. However, finally someone picked up on the fact that the Sox still have some power as Brantley alluded to and then Kenny alluded to during his interview. All these speed crap and how much power they lose but they forget that Uribe has just as much power as Valentin (and no I'm not nuts). I still say 2 years from now Uribe is putting up Tejada like numbers and then make no mention of Dye comnig in and cancelling out Maggs partial season numbers and anyone elses. This means that the main power loss will be Carlos Lee and thats true. At the same time you figure you get Frank back for more of the year, a healthy Everett, Crede maybe a bit better, Konerko a few less HR's, Arow a few more maybe. I still say Sox hit 200 HR's.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) It seems fitting since there are Koney fans weighing in to post his complete R stats here: 02-04 R 263/323/440/763 99-01 R 284/340/465/805 He's not a bum on the road, but he's a far cry from the Koney that hits @ the Cell. Definitely better than Crede on the road. 01 R 266/333/461/794 00 R 305/367/500/867 99 R 264/323/429/752 04 R 239/301/407/708 03 R 223/286/384/670 02 R 318/374/516/890 01 R 266/333/461/794 00 R 305/367/500/867 99 R 264/323/429/752 98 R 203/260/319/579 - 138 AB One question..who gives a crap about these stats. What were his season stats...oh thats right, last year he was one of the best 1st baseman in baseball. Nuff said. And don't talk about the cell inflating his stats, maybe it did last year, but prior to that it was statistically (and I know you love statistics) not an extreme hitters park if anywhat a hitters park.

QUOTE(Kogs35 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) the game is not being replayed jason i just looked through my guides on directv That sucks big time. I know sometimes I watch ESPN around 12 and they do rebroadcasts of the sporting events, they must not do it for spring training games. In that case does anyone know if the Sox get another game on ESPN next week? I heard Stone say they were gonna be at TEP again next week, but I'm assuming its gonna be for a Dbacks game? If it is another Sox game that be cool. Plus there will be 2 on WGN (I think).

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:19 PM) What about Neal, Jas?? Of course I mean if Walker makes the team instead of him and they let Neal start down in charlotte. I love Neal and I've said all along I think neal has a chance to be special but he needs to obviously work on his control and develop another pitch. Well my guess is Neal is in the pen. If he isn't thats where it would get interesting for me because I think Neal is the next best guy the Sox have next to Bmac when it comes to starting prospects. However from all indications Neal isn't getting that shot yet, but in the future I think he will sooner or later. Neal is going to have a very good year though. His control got better last year (even though many don't notice it) but frankly it wasn't very good in the minors and everything comes with progress, not just immediately to perfect. He'll take some more steps forward and frankly his delivery makes his fastball damn near unhittable so all he has to do is improve the control of that pitch and get some control of his change and curve. Plus he's got that cutter now. Look for Neal to make big strides. It kills me that last year he didn't start the year in Charlotte, cause if he did I think the Sox 5th starters woes would of been semi solved last year.

QUOTE(quade36 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) Even Rooney and farmer were talking about a trade to make room for him. Actually, remember the Sox still have a few Minor league pitchers as a backup plan. Adkins could be solid, so could Diaz, and I am sure they haven't given up on Munoz, Honel, Stewart and Tracy. All these guys should be in AAA this year. Plus to add to that, knowing you have El Duque means a guarantee that Bmac will get his shot sooner or later. Its just a matter of time. Like I think some of us said when he was signed if he gives the Sox 20 starts at what he's capable of doing its a positive move. But I'm biased, I absolutely hated this move from day one. Although I like the idea of having a legit 5th starter. And I hope he proves me wrong in regards to his health. I also can't stand Contreras and I'd of dumped his ass this offseason in a trade and used that money on a guy like Odalis Perez, but the hell if I know. I do agree Contreras has the stuff but that can be said about so many more failures than it can be said about the greats. 100 players with great stuff fail for every 1 or 2 with great stuff that become stars.

QUOTE(quade36 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) Even Rooney and farmer were talking about a trade to make room for him. Actually, remember the Sox still have a few Minor league pitchers as a backup plan. Adkins could be solid, so could Diaz, and I am sure they haven't given up on Munoz, Honel, Stewart and Tracy. All these guys should be in AAA this year. Well I know one thing, I'll puke if I see Adkins, Stewart, Munoz or Diaz in the starting rotation at any point this year with the White Sox. None of them are starters. In Diaz case, back end reliever and in Adkins and Munoz case maybe a bit more. In Munoz case he could be a pretty damn good lefty reliever. As far as Honel goes, don't mention that name as a starting candidate until he pitches like he did a couple years back. Until then, he ain't a prospect. Same with Bobby Jenks.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 07:47 PM) Playing for a contender usually is enough to change a player's mind. As I have done in this thread KW can easily sell Vazquez on the future potential of the White Sox. Koney fans are ignoring his road numbers. They are awful. He hit 239 on the road last year & his career #'s are not much better. Add to that the fact he is clearly a 1-dim player & it makes no sense to commit 8-9M/yr over 4 yrs to Koney. Based on the off-season deals it makes no sense for Koney to accept anything less than a 4-5yr deal. I agree out of loyalty to Koney the Sox should at least offer him a 3yr deal. Even if they overpay a little on it. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...t=.jsp&c_id=cws Comparisons to BMC as a RH Marky B or Greg Maddux with more zip. That kind of stuff makes you want to dream because control pitchers like these guys are often more durable than the power guys (Wood, Prior). Likewise they refer to Tracey & Honel as being not too far behind either. I'm really optimistic by what I'm hearing from Marte. I think he's poised to dominate RH's again (if he keeps from beaning them ) He's certainly taken Cooper's advice to heart. Honel = Garbage at this point. He is not a prospect until he proves himself 100% over the long haul. I've been saying this for a long time and I've seen the guy pitch on multiple ocassions. Until that happens I'll stick to my assesment. I don't mean to call him garbage because his knuckle curve is ridiculous, but he's not even one of there top prospects. And Trace, as much as I like the guy, still has a lot of things he has to work out. No one in the Sox system is anywhere close to Brandon McCarthy and I mean no one. And don't tell me road split this, etc. Konerko has put up good numbers every year with the Sox with exception to two years ago where he was awful. He's done it when the Cell (well it was Comiskey then) wasn't a hitters park. Last year he was fantastic and this year I expect the same and hope to get the same. Realistically I prefer him in the 5 hole but him and the Sox get along and he's one of the faces. Once again, YOU DON"T TRADE YOUR CENTERPIECES AT THE DEADLINE. Like it or not Konerko is the main run producer of this offense and will be until Frank PROVES he's the #1 guy. Until then its PK and you don't trade these type of guys at the deadline to IMPROVE your shots at the playoff. I don't care what you think, drill that or write it down because that type of stuff doesn't happen. Only way it does is if your name is Nomar and your an injury riddled cancer. Thats the 1 exception.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) Vazquez is predicated on the belief that AZ is not going to be in contention in the West & that the trade that was talked so much about with Koney as the centerpiece will resurface in Jun. Gimme a break, teams don't trade there centerpieces when they are in contention. And your nuts, AZ just spent how much money this offseason to better there club and you think they are gonna be giving it away at the deadline?? Its just like trading one of your starting pitchers at the deadline in order to give Bmac a shot. I probably like Bmac more then anyone on the board, but thats stupid. You don't trade pitching and you don't trade centerpieces at the deadline, especially when you'd be inserting a rookie and no matter how talented he is, he'd still be a rookie without any experience just coming into the majors near the trade deadline. I'd go ballistic if the Sox did any of these things. If you add at the deadline, you add pitching, NEVER EVER EVER TRADE IT, and you add these guys by trading prospects or players that aren't too important...ie Olivo last year. He wasn't that important to the Sox, not saying he's not talented. You don't trade your centerpiece like Konerko...no way no shape, no how. This isn't fantasy baseball.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 01:57 PM) He's throwing a ton of strikes (so to speak). His ability to throw strikes vs say that of Garland is the difference betw night & day. That more than anything else convinces me that he should be in the rotation & makes either Garland or Contreras expendable. Neither Jon or Jose have consistently thrown strikes in their time up in the MLs. I expect either Jon or Jose to be traded before the break & BMC in the rotation. If he's pitching this well in ST he's going to be lights out for Charlotte & with Jon or Jose expected to have at least 4-5 poor starts by then BMC will be impossible to ignore. Its not even close...I'd take JG over JC any day of the week. But remember, this is a luxury. The Sox have 6 capable guys plus its a given that every team is gonna have an injury or two at one point or another in the rotation, so Brandon will get his shot.

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 02:01 PM) I really don't think you can fault Anderson there.. He was playing short and he still didn't get there. Meanwhile, whoever was at short could have walked and gotten right under that ball. Ya, I was going to point out. No way would any cf make that ball. Anderson made no error at all. He broke in from the get go and the ball landed right by where the shortstop was standing. Maybe had he not caught the grass funny he could of laid out and caught it, but that wouldn't be the thing to do with the runners on in a game the Sox were going to win. I say that because if the ball gets by you create the opportunity at a real big inning.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 15, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) Why? 'Cause he made an error? He's probably in the top three as far as MIF prospects, I'll be interested in seeing what he, along with Andy Gonzalez, do this season at their respective clubs. Wasn't Ozuna playing ss? I know Lopez made an error but trust me when I say he's a very good defensive infielder or at least he projects that way? But on the one that Anderson couldn't get to (the shallow fly) the shortstop had given up on it way too early.

Anyone notice Vizcaino is fiddling with something. Looks to me as if he's throwing entirely slider/2seamer and is not using his better fastball.

Was going to comment on Iguchi hear. This was the first time I got to see him and I must say I was impressed. Really hit the ball with authority to the opposite field. Although he struck out on a horrible pitch. Seems to have a decent eye though. Pods did nothing today. Dye looks in good shape and had some good Ab's.