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I agree it is unlikely that the Sox could sign him, but maybe he likes Ozzie or has heard good things about Ozzie and its worth trying and seeing if they can get him to a long term deal. Maybe 15 mill a year long term is enough to convince him to skip free agency, whose to say. I doubt the Royals ever stepped up and offered him something like that and if he had that guaranteed it could be better for him to sign it, knowing the he's financially secure the rest of his life. However, I think for someone like Beltran, if your getting him long term, then I'd give up quite a bit to get him, because he is that good of a player and is just entering his prime. I should also say, I'd give up a similar package for Barry Zito, but only if the Sox could then acquire a semi decent bat for the end. Zito would be an awesome pickup and once again this would be contigent on locking him up (I'm assuming he becomes a FA and thats why the A's have him on the block).

Sox Affiliates Make Numerous Changes By Jason Gage July 24, 2004 FutureSox.com The Chicago White Sox organization made a flurry of moves on Saturday. First and foremost, as FutureSox.com reported a few weeks ago, Kelly Wunsch was back on the comeback trail. He threw some side sessions and is now healthy and was activated from the disabled list. Wunsch will replace Joe Borchard, who was promoted to Chicago when Magglio Ordonez was placed on the disabled list yesterday. Wusnch struggled for the Sox this year, but has had plenty of success out of the bullpen in his major league career. With the Knights Wunsch is 1-0 with a 3.38 ERA in 12 games. Wunsch was 0-0 with a 0.00 ERA in three games with the White Sox on the year. Promotions: Left handed pitcher Frasier Dizard was promoted from Kannapolis to Winston Salem. Dizard pitched very well out of the Intimidators bullpen this season. He was 0-1 with a 2.83 ERA in 27 games for Kannapolis. He limited opponents to 38 hits in 47.2 innings. Dizard was drafted by the White Sox in the 10th round of the 2003 draft out of the University of Southern California. Dizard spent 2003 in Great Falls where he made 6 starts and 6 appearances out of the pen. Nik Lubisich was promoted from Winston Salem to Birmingham. Lubisich, a lefty, went 5-7 with a 4.35 ERA in 22 games for the Warthogs this year. Lubisich has also pitched as a starter in the organization and was drafted in the 31st round of the 2001 draft. Demotions: To make room for Lubisich, Brad Murray and Tommy Nicholson were sent down to Winston Salem from Birmingham. Murray was 0-4 with a 7.16 ERA in 10 games with the Barons. Murray was 2-0 with a 1.93 ERA in 26 games with the Warthogs earlier in the year. Tommy Nicholson, an infielder, hit .277 in 36 games with the Barons. Nicholson hit .229 in 26 games with the Warthogs.

Well if they were willing to go around 14 mill a year for Maggs, then I say why not offer 15 mill a year over 5 years and see if Beltnra takes it. The Sox would have a nucleus of players signed and he'll be on a winning team, one that could compete for the Series the next few years. Plus he'll be playing in a major market, although I realize the Yanks may come a calling.

Valdez, the guy they got for Koch, is hitting like .344 and plays shortstop. He doesn't draw much anything in the walk department, but he's at least an option as a backup infielder. Heck, maybe the Royals give us Graffy back to come off the bench. I know one thing, I'd do whatever it took to get Beltran in a Sox uniform for this year and another 5-10.

I thoguht the same thing...and thats the only ep i've seen as well. Never was much of a fan of the Andy Dick show, but I gotta admit, from what I saw of the first episode, it looks like it should be real funny.

While Crede is a loss, the Sox have Fields in AAA and Uribe and Jose can play everyday with Wilson Valdez coming up to the majors to come off the bench or Dransfeldt. Beltran is a freaking stud, and if their is one thing this lineup now lacks, it is that major piece that can carry an offense. I think Lee and Konerko are capable of doing it, but I don't know if I want to rely on that fact when this team is going for it all. Beltran is young, way better then Crede and well with Rowand stepping up this yera and Anderson looking like a player, Borchard is expendable, considering Beltran and Lee would be in the OF for a while. THen Munoz may be a loss, but so what, your getting a freaking all star centerfielder, who may very well be the best centerfielder in baseball. This guy has every bit of ability to be a hall of famer and he is exciting to watch. He may not be hitting for much of an average with Houston, but he is still hammering the hell out of the ball and has had a ton of clutch hits.

Closing this thread. Whether gay or not it doesn't matter. I realize SSI wasn't trying to start something, but I don't see where any good comes out of accusing or asking whether such and such athletes are gay.

I've never seen a more complete football game. I also like the passes, you can see an opening and it seems much more realistic when you pass it threw a hole. I haven't seen many of those triple coverage receptions, but I have seen more where you lob them and it goes over a lb and you hit your Te or what not. I also like how the qb has to turn to see parts of the field, cause honestly, no qb can see the hole field like they usually do in Madden. Oh ya, the run graphics and the whole tackling sequences are amazing. That doesn't beging to talk about how great the commentary and just graphics that tie into the game are. Hell, even Berman is pretty awesome in the game. They integrate stats well, have cool replays, and the halftime show is just crazy cool in a sense. Just an awesome football game. I'm saying no to Madden. By the way, if anyone lives near a FYE music, you can get it for 14.99 on either PS2 or XBOx. Its 19.99 with a 5 mail in rebate.

If the Sox could negotiate a window to sign him long term or felt confident they could do that (Thats right, meaning Magglio is gone at the end of the year), then I would use Crede, Borchard and two more prospects (Not named Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney). Reportedly the Astros want a 3rd baseman (even though they have Ensberg) and Crede could fit that. I'd also hold off on giving up Neal Cotts, I think he's going to be valuable down the stretch and has a bright future as a starter. They gave up some good things to get Beltran, but who knows if he's on the block. However, offer him 14 mill a year for 5 years and see if he bites. HE is a better all around player then Magglio and plays a tougher position, so I say go for it. Plus he's really looking like he'll develop 50 HR power to go with very good speed. If Maggs makes it back this year, fine, you end up having him, Beltran, Thomas and company in the postseason which is sick. IF he doesn't, you still have a start studded centerfielder and what will be a pretty good OF with Beltran and Rowand in CF and RF, helping out Lee who is solid, but lacking range. I'd say Crede, Borchard, Munoz, and another player for Beltran if the Sox would realistically go after signing him the next year. Then you get 2 picks for Maggs, which will somehow help to bring in talent and have Anderson and Rowand capable of playing RF, plus Everett under contract next year, in case, Thomas walks or he can play RF at times. This would be my plan. Harris - 2nd Uribe - 3B Beltran - CF Lee - LF Everett - DH Konerko - 1st Jose - ss Rowand - rf Burke/Davis/Alomar - C If Thomas and Maggs make it back, even better, now you have Rowand and Everett off the bench.

If we are talking Barry Zito or Randy Johnson then I say pitching.

This isn't a bad idea. Harris can move to CF with Rowand moving to right field. Boone is a FA at the end of the year and if the Sox get healthy you can decide which of Boone/Harris to play everyday. If the Mariners would do it for a mid level type prospect, assuming the Sox are willing to pay maybe 2 mill of the remaining portion of the contract.

I know their were talks he'd have to move over to 3rd because of his size, but he was supposed to be a slick fielding infielder.

If I recall I thought the Royals were about to acquire Alomar when the Sox got him??? I never heard a thing about him being waived or anything along those lines.

Go get him, move Everett to RF and live with it, imo. Worse case he comes in, doesn't do what you expect and you cut him lose. Best case he ads veteran leadership, another left handed bat, and does a decent job.

I will continue to defend Willie. When Willie gets constant playing time, Willie does good. He is also solid at 2nd base and smart on the paths. I wouldn't mind seeing Uribe, Willie and Rowand playing a lot, especially if Borchard struggles early on. Thats with Uribe at 2nd, Willie in CF, and Rowand in RF.

Sounds like if anything, Kenny will add another pitcher and hope Konerko, Lee and Everett can do their thing.

Haha, you know I appreciate it. Your piece will be the one heavily read because it was up first so its on google news pretty high. FS, along with WSC broke the news (story wise) before the trib, so it could result in a good amount of hits. You tell me, if you want, we can combine the piece, cause yours has your typical bad ass stats. Yours basically talks about Borchard, mine talks heavily about Ordonez and its effect on the Sox, so it may not be a bad combination.

No harm in having two, lol. Ours have some different info. That or we could combine em? I don'thave a problem with two of them up, though, cause in my article, I do a lot of speculating, while yours is more a straight up news story, so their is really no harm in having two.

Ordonez Placed on the Disabled List; Borchard Recalled By Jason Gage July 23, 2004 FutureSox.com The Chicago White Sox placed star rightfielder Magglio Ordonez back on the 15 day disabled list. The news comes a day after Ordonez was scratched from the lineup in Cleveland and flown back to Chicago. The original discussions about Ordonez flight home were that it was a precautionary move, but that has since changed. The exact diagnosis is bone marrow edema, which deals with fluid in the bone marrow of his left knee. Ordonez is expected to miss four to eight weeks. He will be re-elvaluated in four weeks to see if he can begin rehabilitation program. Until then, Ordonez will be on crutches and will be limited to swimming. This news increases the possibility for a trade. In July the Sox offense has already been dreadful, and was hitting worse in the major leagues on the month. Joe Borchard is being recalled from Charlotte to replace Ordonez. Borchard will likely be the everyday right fielder unless a trade is made. This is the second straight time Borchard's promotion comes at the barring of bad news. A few weeks ago Borchard was promoted to Chicago because slugger Frank Thomas was placed on the disabled list. First baseman/Designated Hitter Carlos Delgado is the type of bat the Sox could use and he listed the Sox along with the Dodgers as the two teams he'd accept a trade to. This move is unlikely though, as the Sox probably don't have the chips in place. However, Carlos Beltran could be another high profile possibility. Beltran plays centerfield and is also a free agent at the end of the year (like Magglio). However, the Astros appear to be staying in the race, hoping they can win the wild card. The best thing that could result of this injury is the emergence of Joe Borchard. Borchard has long had the tools to become a good player and now he's being forced into a tough position, but if he could produce, the White Sox could find themselves in a good situation, especially when and if Magglio and Frank Thomas come off the disabled list. Borchard hit .158 in six games with the Sox earlier this month. He was hitting .266 with 16 homers and 48 RBI with Charlotte (AAA). However, Borchard did look much more comfortable at the plate in his most recent call-up, which could be a good sign.

I was expecting this thread being about Bill Clinton.

I second that, welcome aboard.

Also, note that Clint King is back. I knew their was a reason he was in the outfield throwing balls when I was in Kanny. I swore he was out for the year with a busted hammate, but I was obviously wrong. Great to see him back though, I do know he had a semi serious injury (in terms of keeping him out, but its not one that will have a long term effect). As far as Dave Sanders goes, watch out in regards to him. He may be the next guy called up, ahead of Wunsch, who should be back on the mound relatively soon. Sanders has been pitching his butt off as of late and I've heard from a few people that this is the best he's pitched since being in the org (after his awful start). Gio....yess.....Rodriguez....yess.....Fabio....yes. Gio is impressing me, high k's, low walks, low hits almost every outing. He's gonna get his shot in Kanny soon enough, imo.

Welcome aboard. I wouldn't necessarily call the two rival sites. Some would, but their are a lot of people like yourself that post on both sites, myself included. Make yourself at home here and welcome aboard Oh ya, for minor league info, we have the board and then a site called www.futuresox.com

Victor Martinez...it has to be him. If Shingo dominates down the stretch and helps get the team into the postseason, he may have a shot though.

If they deal Jones to the Pirates, then I saw kenny goes out and gets Jones. I love Jacque Jones.