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Was such a great show

I haven't been a huge fan, because I think there are some other drugs I have read of, which seem as promising if not more promising, but I do like the fact that everyone is trying to speed the process up (but its important that the drugs being used are safe...more than anything). If drugs are safe with minimal side-effects, than you can be a little more aggressive in trying to treat patients and see the effects. But the way the administration does everything is bad. Its use of family relationships and lack of independence is horrible (vs. a focus on independent experts and independent bids). But that shouldn't surprise anyone that voted for the guy because that is how he has operated in his own professional life.

Its why they should have entirely focused on guaranteeing payrolls and providing deferrals for loans, etc. Just flat out suspensions of kicking items down the road until recovery hit. I've seen statistics that indicate the cost of that would have been less than what we are giving and while everything the government does with these large packages are going to help many, but also, there are going to be people who make out like bandits from the deals as well.

Plus isn't the heat & humidity technically good (i.e., harder to spread the virus in those conditions). I am 110% for baseball and I think it isn't until the next sports seasons where we see games with fans (and I am 1000% okay with that). I think one of the big things that will be needed is the US to have really strong testing (across the nation...to the point where we have lots of tests and thus the professional athletes can be regularly tested for safer monitoring). My guess is certain coaches/players may need to follow more stringent guidelines. I don't care if the fans aren't there, getting live sports on will be a huge morale boost for the country.

I don't defend one dumbass thing the president says. He is awful. That wasn't my point in this. I never voted for the guy because of how poor of a leader and for the specific scenario we are seeing now (a real crisis).

And right now...I don't care about the past. Let all of that get handled after this disaster is done. The only thing that matters right here and right now is working together to get us as a country and a world through this crisis faster and as best we can. Coulda woulda shoulda's don't matter right now. Action and teamwork and proactive drive to fix things is flat out what matters. Partisism right now completely hinders the near term best interest of this country (whether you are a president, senator, or governor). The more we focus on the here and the now and what we are going to do to solve our real needs, the better off the entire country and world are. PERIOD. History will play itself out for all the mistakes after the fact.

Yes he should. But that doesn't make an excuse for the others to behave shitty either. Just because one person acts worse doesn't allow everyone else to do the same (even if they are less powerful). It makes them all babies. If my kid is less bad than another kid, it doesn't mean I'm not going to take my kid aside and explain to them how their behavior isn't okay and how they need to act differently (regardless of how the other individual is behaving). We need to use this time for BOTH sides to clean their crooked crap up, period.

He absolutely should. But so should the other side. Everyone needs to look in the mirror and step up and put the rest of the crap behind them. Lets not pretend that Governors shouldn't be great leaders too. Onus is one everyone to step up. EVERYONE.

And Newsome was historically vicious to Trump. Fact is he bucked up and did something and the president responded kindly as well. Takes two to tango. It isn't like the president responded with, its about time you figured out how amazing I am. Instead, he actually flashed back and commended the job a Democratic governor was doing. Geeze - I wonder what would happen if more politicians behaved this way (Trump and all parties included). I guarantee we'd see a lot more progress than the current state of affairs.

And like I said...someone needs to break the vicious cycle and stop PRETENDING that this is a one sided conversation. Both sides continue to do this...PERIOD. So thank god someone was finally a grownup and acted kindly and wow, the president acted kindly in response. Could we actually try to do this more? God that would be a fucking great outcome of this entire mess. None of us would allow our children to do what either side of the aisle does in this day and age. None of us. Politicians need a reminder of the golden rules and we need to start voting more that way (vs. focusing on absolutisms).

No - It is just people need to ignore the politics. Who the F cares who started what. When people are doing, get over it. Trump playing nicely with California actually shows he can do it too. The problem is too many are completely using this for their own political gain and it pisses him off (and I'm not justifying him in the equation...and he should cut through it all and if he did he'd probably be a shoe-in for re-election). But it is why I have so much issue with the current state of affairs, such a vast minority look through things with anything other than their specific color classes. Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about politics and focus entirely on the serious matters at hand. Period. This is coming from someone who can't stand either party most of the time at this point. But I do think the fact that the president can play nice with the most liberal state in the union is a positive (and i hope it continues). As I said earlier, I really admire the job Newsome has done thus far during the crisis.

I said it before and I hope this doesn't blow up in my face, but take notes at how Newsome (CA's governor) has stayed away from taking pot shots at the president and has instead focused on flat out working together with the federal government. Pissing contest be damn, none of it matters when discussing all of the lives at risk and through it, he has actually been relatively complimentary of the president (maybe because he's smart enough to recognize the fact that it is better to put differences aside and focus entirely on doing the best you can to tackle the situation at hand - period). Ignore the mudslinging (even if the pres wants to). Be the bigger and better person for the sake of your state and the country.

RIP Farmio. A legend.

Maybe has something to do with the fact that there aren't physicals really being done?

This sucks - Very sorry to hear about that Josh.

I think end of April to end of May is probably a realistic timeframe. Gives right amount of hope but also allows flexibility to clamp down where necessary and drag on where appropriate.

They believe because it doesn’t mutate a lot that any vaccine / recovery would likely be a longer immunity vs your normal flu. Obviously lots of assumptions being made due to how rapidly this has evolved but they are tracking a variety of strains and note the mutations are minor and slow moving (this is positive because it means a vaccine is more effective and likely easier to get and any immunity would likely last longer too.

Why is Cuomo so amazing. He dropped the ball completely at the start of the outbreak. He's obviously made progress since than, but some of his comments probably contributed to more cases and the outbreak in NY being worse. Hopefully we start to see the NY curve flatten soon.

I am not stating anything around not tackling it and taking it seriously, but I also think everyone needs perspective. Nowhere am I stating that we should not be acting and being aggressive on it. I won't compare to certain things but we can't pretend that leaders and people in charge of the world, can't put a price on a life, cause you know what, they do. If they didn't, they wouldn't ever go to war or let us ever eat sugar or drink a beer, etc. We wouldn't allow people to die of starvation or anything else. We'd all be forced to eat vegetables and chicken/fish for all our meals. We need to take this serious and should, but I also think we need to manage overall panic in the equation. I'm not a believer that mass panic is a good thing. We push this too far in the scale and have everyone terrified for their lives and we will make how we respond to COVID worse than the actual virus. We'll have riots on the street, people robbing each other for things, and far worse I'm sure (especially as people respond to some form of Martial Law. We should invest in the respirators and have the best, most efficient testing system on the planet. And we are going to need to aggressively test until this thing has been beat to a bulp (and live with more regional shelter in place scenarios that pop up while they work on getting a treatment). And if we are going to get a treatment, it won't be from that Malaria drug. Everything I've seen indicates that drug is absolute vapor ware.

Happy Anniversary!!! Hopefully we get some baseball to talk about soon enough

That is the bigger issue. Spend the $1B to get enough respirators and figure out ways to be ready with makeshift hospitals so we can do the best to tackle this while also being focused on curbing the spread.

Well said Badger

For perspective, 1700 people die a day of heart disease and 1670 people die from cancer per day in the US. And those numbers will be there in 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, etc. I'm not trying to make light of everything, but I truly wonder, what would a $2 trillion stimulus targeted at cancer or heart disease eradication do? And I recognize billions are spent on those items each year by doctors, medical researches, pharmaceutical companies, etc. We are going to beat this, but you are also right, numbers are going to get a bit ugly and it would be nice if we got our schtick together as a country and truly implemented a real lockdown. Annoys the piss out of me that my state can be doing a ton right, yet all that right could be countered by other knucklehead states (same can be said for different people). But I'm also a big believer in perspective. You also will not ever see me throw out a stat comparing this to the flu....this is clearly worse than the flu. There isn't a statistic that says otherwise and the flu infects somewhere around 10-40M people each year, despite the fact that we have a vaccine for it (i.e., flu shot). CoronaVirus is something we have no vaccine for and our bodies thus have minimal built up resistance to it and thus one would suspect the number infected (if you did nothing) would be worse than the CoronaVirus. One other data point people might find interesting is that 90%+ of the deaths in Italy were from individuals with comorbidities (meaning had high risk), however, of that population, a high percentage only had one Comoborbidity (hypertension). Think about that for a second...cause I have to imagine the US has a higher % of hypertension vs. Italy.

Are you saying a family (like 1 family) and there kids were on their front porch and the kids were playing together? Are you implying I should have each of my kids locked up in their own rooms, completely isolated from each other?

Dude - Get off your schtick. Who cares what he wants to call it. If people feel better by calling what they are doing (staying away from people) a sacrifice, drives more accountability, than so be it. Nothing wrong with it.