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You had an amazing season. I liked Banks, but if he wasn't going to get it, Palmer should of. I'm also glad to see Dorsey finish last, mainly because I think he's way over-rated as McGahee is much better.

Last year, I would of agreed with everyone on Liefer. He isn't that bad of a player, and should do a lot better if he knows he's playing. If Lee goes, I'd look for Liefer to bust his ass the rest of the offseason and do whatever he can to come up with a huge year. Worse case scenario he hits .250 with 20 hr's and 60-70 rbi's while he holds the position for Borchard. Plus, it gives us a lefty stick in the lineup.

Vidro isn't a leadoff hitter. Thats the thing. Jimenez is being groomed for that slot and has played it. This isn't just 30 games, two years ago he was very good with the Padres. This is a guy that doesn't k a lot, has patience, speed and is a very good slap hitter. This guy should hit .280 with a .360 obp, and should continue to get better. Valentin isn't a leadoff hitter. He'll hit .250 with an obp right at .300 with a ton of k's. That puts him as a back of the lineup hitter. I know most see him as a 2 hitter, but he ain't even that.

We will sign them both. If they make this move and compete, trust me, JR won't have to worry about a mill or two, cause Comiskey will be packed. Look what happened after the Angels won, their cheap owners are upping the payroll like 45%.

Spiff, I'll be sad to see ya go man. I know that some people don't get along, and well, thats going to happen anywhere. I try not to sensor anyones posts. Hopefully the Sox kick ass and your a cool guy. I wish ya the best and hopefully one day you'll come back. Keep in touch man.

I'm with ya Roman, I'd much rather get Colon then Astachio. Heck, Colon makes less money, of course we better be locking him and Buerhle up long term.

As long as your in the playoffs, your a threat. Anything can happen.

Its part of the game. You can't take rumors for much, at least not the Expos deal. The Erstad deal was for sure. If the deal doesn't go through, they'll simply say its a rumor.

Could the Sox package Manos for a pitcher with one year left on his contract making similar money?

Ya, and How Many can make 40 errors in a full season like he would. Oh ya, lets not forget striking out 120 plus times in a full season. Manos stinks!

You know what, I think Murcielago accidentally deleted, so we can just continue it from here. Sorry bout that.

Its lower on the page or it should be.

He has contacted Scott Boras about Maddux, but he was asking for too much.

Mario, Jimenez won't get benched. I'll say this once I'll say it a million times, Vidro isn't a leadoff hitter. Jimenez is the only guy on our roster that can leadoff. Manos isn't a leadoff hitter, neither is Vidro, he's a 2 hitter and thats where he will be. Look for the Sox to try to move Manos or just keep him as backup.

To me, were giving up Lee and Garland. Lee is most likely gone at the end of the season and well Colon is a stud, we'd be lucky if Garland would every reach that potential and then we get a guy like Vidro and Michael Barret. I just hope we don't give up any good prospects in return. Oh ya, I disagree with anyone that says we bench Jimenez, this just means Jimenez leads off and Vidro hits in the 2 hole cause Vidro isn't a leadoff hitter.

Would the Sox just stick Borchard in the outfield and let him grow at the major league level? If they made a move like this they could afford to deal with his ups and downs, plus it could be good for him to be with our hitting coach, whoever that may be. Oh ya, may I add this trade only works if we sign him long term.

The good news is, KW said he wouldn't trade Honel or Borchard even if its for a difference maker, so they won't be part of this deal. I'd look for another relieving prospect to be moved, or a starter like Josh Stewart that is more of a fringe guy when compared to our other pitchers.

Jimenez would leadoff and play short, with Jose Vidro(the best 2 hitter in the league, imo) would be hitting second. This would really give our offense a great spark-plug.

I'd say Jimenez goes to short, with Manos, moving to the outfield. Just a hunch though. That or we just stick Manos as a super sub.

Now if only KW can find a way for them to take Wright instead of Garland, either way I love it though.

Hummell's strength is he has a pretty good eye at the plate. Up until last year he was a hitting machine. Late in the Arizona Fall League it looked like he found his stroke that made him the White Sox 2nd baseman of the future.

Welcome Aboard Yasny...Its always great to have more Sox fans to discuss moves and baseball with.

This is sounding awesome, as long as were only giving up a fringe prospect. I'm with ya Baggs. We'd get a true 2nd baseman in Vidro whose an amazing #2 hitter, and we'd be picking up a stud pitcher. I'd hate losing Garland, but they, Colon is a true ace.

Plus, Rdub has been playing like s*** all year. I still can't get over him for that half ass play on the interception return in the Green Bay game. Block you lazy sack of crap.

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