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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) Jerked around a lot in positions too. But all were tweeners. Zipers has been switched onto bigger guys, fast guards, and seems to hold his own. I expect our coaching staff to fix that flaw and teach him to be a lousy defender Niko isn't really a tweener. He does have horrible bball IQ though. Stacey King routinely makes anti coaching staff comments on the telecast (if you read between the lines). Or at least that is how I interpret them.

Paul Zipser looks like he can play. He isn't a defensive sieve and he looks like he's got some stones for a rookie. Hit some huge shots late, including a nice drive. Looks the opposite of Niko and Doug, who tend to be defensive sieves that make a lot of "negative" plays. What the hell is the real story with Denzel Valentine. Something has to be going on that is driving him to get such little playing time? The inability to develop Portis, Valentine, Niko, and Doug are so damning. While I don't expect any of those guys to be great, they all have enough talent to be solid rotational guys, imo. We aren't seeing it at all though. I feel part of that is how jacked around some of them get (Niko being the exception...I feel he gets too long of a leash at times, but I just can't bear with how little progress we've seen).

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 06:52 AM) @49ers 12h12 hours ago John Lynch has been named General Manager of the San Francisco #49ers. This is kinda weird. Shanny has personnel control. Always was a fan of Lynch the football player. Interesting to see him take this kind of role. Someone on the radio this morning was comparing this to either being successfully like Elway or a disaster like Matt Millen.

Wow...this is getting more and more interesting. Forman mentions nothing of anything and now all of a sudden Butler and Wade aren't in the starting lineup. Does this mean Hoiberg went around Gar and benched these two? If you were going to punish them, shouldn't Gar have made that statement when he did.

Interesting...some spin on the radio further distancing Paxson from Gar. Basically stating that Pax, at the direction of JR, etc, had stepped back to let Gar do his thing, hire Fred, etc. I wonder if the next time we hear from Paxson is when he is announcing that the Bulls have a new GM. I always enjoy when Pax speaks...he's always very honest and transparent.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Exactly. For better or worse, at least the Sox picked a direction. The Bulls are right in the middle, like the Sox were for all those years. Does anyone know if they're buying out Rondo's contract or was that just a rumor? One major thing though...Doug Collins hit on it too, is you need all stars to win, and it is really hard to get all stars. You look at these teams that tank and no matter how many good picks they get, very few superstars exist and very hard to get all stars.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) I think the Bulls are an even bigger trainwreck than the White Sox right now. Yep. White Sox have pivoted and established a strategy. We don't know what the Bulls are.

Doug Collins didn't say it directly, but with all the various things he talked about...he certainly indicted some things that Hoiberg clearly lacks that great coaches have. IF you have a chance, listen to Doug Collins interview on ESPN 1000. Guy knows his stuff.

This is like Marc Trestman bad. That or maybe I've become Mr. overreaction vs. the typical rational person I tend to think I am. There is no trust, no unity in this organization...none. And absolutely zero accountability. Just think back to the stories where people were afraid Gar was bugging the offices...how the hell does that guy stick around.

We can't go into the deadline and let people who shouldn't be around a year from now make these moves. I hope JR is listening to Doug Collins interview right now and how much negative things he's saying about the Bulls...says a lot given how much Doug Collins loves the Bulls. It is bigger then that...he's ripping the defense, he's ripping the culture, the soap opera stance, etc.

JR should hire Doug Collins as a special advisor. Really really like Doug. By the way, here is what I see happening...Bulls will hire Mitch Kupcheck as there next GM in the off-season. Doug Collins was pretty honest...basically said it is pretty much that you can't repair what has happened. God, listening to Doug Collins and other legitimate coaches just gets me more freaking angry about how terrible Hoiberg is. Such a joke. There are high school basketball coaches know more about coaching then Fred. There was an interesting quote a while back from one of the LA Times writers on Hoiberg and he said he never saw a team tune out his players more then Iowa State did to Fred Hoiberg. I have no idea what it was related to, but evidently he had heard something that even at Iowa State (where he was obviously lived and will be welcome back with open arms), the players knew he really wasn't a great coach. He won at ISU because he was a great recruiter and brought them really good talent. College and Pro's are such a different dynamic.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) Moves only need to be made after THE move is made - Firing Pax and Forman. I just don't see Pax getting the axe, but I think Forman / Fred need to be gone. Period. Unless they all secretly had some secret off-season plan and everything is going like they told JR in a closed room and we are all just getting duped, haha.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 10:03 AM) Wade on whether Hoiberg has control of the locker room: "You'll have to ask Fred that." That is just hillarious. It is so clear how neutered Fred is. The interesting thing is, Wade does not have any reputation of being anything but an amazing teammate, so to me, the fact that it got to the point he had to publicly put everyone on blast, tells me a hell of a lot. I realize what he did was wrong...but this is a guy who is extremely well respected in the league, so things had to get pretty bad to get to this point. Interesting that Butler was largely pretty quiet when it came to everything...yes he said a few things, but it is almost like Wade told Jimmy, look, you got more to lose, so let me light everyone up over this.

Moves are absolutely going to have to be made. Period. This isn't getting better without moves getting made. Now that can't happen overnight, with exception of clearing out Fred / Gar / Pax (which I am fine with). I've said for a long time, I just can't imagine Pax getting the ax, but I might be wrong.

Wade is meeting the media and specifically says he has no hard feelings towards Rondo and that he has NO REGRETS about what he said. Doug Collins will be on ESPN 1000 in about 5 minutes, so that might be interesting.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 09:52 AM) The PR guy in me is just rolling my eyes. What an awful move. If you aren't going to answer any questions, why not just issue a statement. I don't know what else he could have / should have said, but if you are going to put him out, you need to address questions, imo.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) I wish we could go back to the days of me and you arguing over the medical staff simpler times Seriously. But at least the Bulls front office can unify us all

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic. Shouldn't expect anything less. Gar is worthless. We are extremely dissapointed and talked to everyone....oh man, awful.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) Gar is going to talk to the media in a little while. That should go great Yep...fabulous. Tells me nothing changing.

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 05:13 PM) I think I miss Tim Floyd? Floyd could coach. He didn't work in the NBA, but Floyd has legitimate coaching talent. Del Negro and Hoiberg don't have that talent. Hoiberg could recruit in college and that helped him...at the NBA level he is getting eaten alive. He can't manage a clubhouse, can't execute, and to be frank, we thought he was a good communicator but he's had disasterous communication run-ins too. The rotations are terrible, the development is terrible, plays out of time out are terrible...he clearly can't get people to play hard, etc (not saying that is entirely his fault), but I literally see nothing positive about Fred. He is one of the biggest disasters I can ever remember as a NBA head coach...and he gets paid 5M/yr.

Evidently Rondo has been close with the young players on the Bulls roster (dating back to when he was out at the summer league with some of them). KC Johnson indicating that the young players on the team like Rondo a lot. Friedell blasting front office saying everything is their fault. They kept Rondo around after benching him, etc (despite no one clearly communicating him) and knew the potential consequences to keeping him around and further, they were the ones who built the team with this flawed roster and who hired the coach.

The worst part of all of this is, you know how we had a lousy reputation to get free agents, dating back to the Jordan era....Wade was going to help that. Now if he comes here and walks away after a year telling everyone what a cluster this organization is...it will take a long time and some major changes until that stigma goes away.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 05:08 PM) I'm on team Rondo here. What he said was better...but he did the same thing he said vets aren't supposed to do...which is blast everything public. They are all wrong but all of this is further evidence of the massive issues that already exist, whether it is the lack of leadership and accountability from the head coach to the disasterous roster building of the front office. Changes need to be made...period. Can't all happen over night, but the Bulls need to wise up. One other thing I will say is, I have no idea how often Butler / Wade had already given some sort of strong message to the team in a non-public fashion so maybe they view it as, we've talked to them privately about expecting more and weren't seeing it so they finally went to this new extreme and went further. To be honest, I think Rondo could just as well have is own self interest and looking at this as the perfect opportunity to get a ticket out of here. I would think there is at least a chance that Gar/Hoiberg are gone before they play tomorrow.

Depending on the outcome, who knows, we could look back on last night and today's drama and refer to it as a great day in franchise history

Apparently all of this is getting a ton of play on NBA pregame show. Shaq burying Hoiberg and Chuck and others slamming Bulls leaders and siding with Rondo. You can't just sit around quietly...maybe the lack of a statement is a good thing because JR is so pissed he's working on what / who he is going to hold accountable and thus he is waiting till everything is finalized before coming out with something.