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Feel free to discuss certain rumors about the club potentially being for sale (albeit, these rumors appear to be largely unsubstantiated).

This thread was identified as having too many personal attacks. While the subject of the content is important and thread worthy, I'm closing this particular thread and access to fire back to some of the comments which were made to put an end to those type of responses. New thread will be opened where people can talk about the actual topic.

This thread waddled into non-stop personal attacks, etc. I'm closing it to close out some of the ridiculous comments that have been within. New thread will be opened where people can talk about the prospect we acquired while being mindful of the rules.

You Personally attack a poster and you will be suspended. The level of discourse that I've seen on this site the past month has been atrocious and while the White Sox front office might accept that kind of performance, Soxtalk does not accept that type of blather on here from its poster. If you want personally attack a poster, you WILL be suspended. I don't care if you are a mod, admin, etc, ABSOLUTELY NO PERSONAL ATTACKS. PERIOD. END OF DISCUSSION. Note: This does not mean you can't debate or argue, but you debate the facts. And if you get to the point of trolling back and forth and can't ignore people (DA / Caufield, I'll call you out as the obvious example), then you need to put each other on ignore and move on (there are others). PS: I happen to like both DA and Caufield the posters, so I'm not calling out your posts, just calling out your distaste of each other (and I don't care who started it). For once and for all, put each other on ignore.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 26, 2016 -> 04:47 PM) He's 25 in AA. Let's not get carried away. He does throw left handed however so he may stick around. Part of why he is older is due to missing time from Tommy John.

http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2016...tint-australia/ Interesting read on Turner.

QUOTE (shipps @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 01:15 PM) I dont get why this was ever allowed and since it is why other teams havent done what the Chargers are doing. The majority are cutthroat and squeeze every dime that they can out of players. The Chargers are obviously being jag bags but other teams are too. Other teams do it with first round picks, it just isn't normally done with top 5-10 picks. Later on in the 1st round, there are more teams that do it.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 12:25 PM) I would be one of the first to say in the real world results trump effort. We like to tell our kids that they go hand in hand, and often they do. Sometimes they do not. They are trying to not be mediocre. They haven't done a good job of it. Moving on from KW and RH makes a lot of sense, but it doesn't appear like that is in the cards at least for another year. That said, the reason we tell that to our kids is, it is hard to actually have success without effort. Effort does not guarantee success, but it certainly is one key ingredient to it.

I'd love it if we could somehow move someone for some competitive balance picks.

By the way, Rick Hahn is probably not spending any time on this deal. They have other people in charge of that. Bottom line, I've been the first to say the Sox have to change the way they do things. They have continuously put out teams which have performed far worse than their perceived paper notions and while that can happen occasionally, when it continuously happens it is a major problem and things have to change. Whether Jerry changes people or not, who knows, it certainly would appear that the GM/President will be back for another year with a new manager and the big question will be what direction does the team head. If we don't see concrete changes this off-season (given some of the bold statements they have made), then they will continue to irritate fans and hey, that is on them for what have been real failures in actual performance.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 05:55 AM) Houston had Enron; Denver had Invesco and Sports Authority. All gone now. Invesco is not gone.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 04:21 AM) People laughing about the name of the park in which you had no role naming? Oh my God. How are you guys going to cope? Get counseling. The internet is upset...but don't worry, a week from now...they'll have forgotten and the world will move on. If anything, look at the positives. A few years after the US Cellular naming convention, we had a way better stadium that hosted a world series championship!!!

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 10:42 PM) Trolls? Look at all the people on here who think this is a disgrace. What is Guaranteed Rate? Nobody's ever heard of the company. It should be spun in a negative way BTW, it's embarrassing. If I was an owner, I'd be the first to have corporate logo's all over my teams jerseys too. Why, cause it would give me the most resources to put the best and most competitive team on the field, period, which ultimately should be my ultimate goal. This deal does nothing to hinder that ability (and if anything, gives additional resources and will ensure a very nice ballpark experience as that is money that can continue to go into keeping the park nice).

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 09:39 PM) Guaranteed rate of losing baseball under the current ownership. And if instead the team was winning, you could turn it absolutely around. Again, it is a non story. Team needs to fix its act from a player development perspective and the FOCUS should be on that, not on this nonsense.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 07:14 PM) Just the idea of "Guaranteed Rate" carved into actual concrete at 35th and Shields is cringe worthy. US Cellular just doesn't seem so intrusive...maybe because US at least seems or feels like it could be patriotic or something you might be able to be proud about. About the only positive I can think of is their ability to execute and leverage this agreement to also sign a NEW deal with a cell phone service provider that brings in another revenue stream. If they don't take advantage of that, you'd have a difficult time arguing the benefits financially outweigh the negatives (already discussed for multiple pages) that come with this agreement. Guaranteed Fail Down arrows... Guaranteed cheap seats they can't give away Guaranteed Dysfunction Guaranteed Bullpen Blowup Guaranteed Matt Albers Appearance Guaranteed Parking Profits Ok...all of you are beyond ridiculous. If this were 2005 and the White Sox were winning, no one would care. The reality is this gives money to keep the stadium nice, making it a more attractive place to watch the game, while also providing the Sox with some additional revenue opportunities (other cell deals + the fact that as part of this they inked a separate deal with Guaranteed Rate). And you know what, none of you have to call it anything other then Sox park or Comiskey. You can call it whatever you want. This deal has absolutely zero correlation with the White Sox current track record / on field performance and if anything, should give some slight positives in the sense that they should have some additional revenue that could actually go to the club payroll as a result of this. No fan is not going to go because of the stadium name, etc, and no player is going to play worse because there is a downward arrow on a sponsor's logo (and if they are creative they can tie it into some marketing, where Sox pitchers ERA's continue to trend lower..just like the rates you can get on your next mortgage from Guaranteed rate. I realize the Sox suck, but all of your a bunch of overreacting whiners who would whine about anything vs. focusing on whining about what matters (the product ON the field).

QUOTE (Ezio Auditore @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 08:54 AM) That was both Enis and Benson, back when a top 5 pick was paid like a starting running back. Both of them had a lot less leverage than Bosa though and the Bears weren't being nearly as petty. With Benson, there was a difference I think vs. the Enis negotiation (where with Enis I think we truly were made out to be the bad guys where I never really remember that with the Benson negotiation).

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 04:49 PM) They aren't allowed to trade him. Deadline passed. He'll either sign there or he won't and enter next year's draft and Chargers get nothing in return. Dean Spanos is worth $2 billion and is doing this over offset language. It's a joke. They expect Joey Bosa to take a deal that no other top 5 pick has taken under the new CBA. I didn't realize you couldn't trade first round picks later (when they were unsigned)...although makes sense cause I can't remember it happening (at least not recently...thought it happened a bit back in the days where holdouts were far more common). Chargers have always done this, reminds me of the Bears back in the 90's where they had a similar type of issue where they were making a hardline stance (it might have been as part of the Curtis Enis negotiation). I wonder if there are other teams who don't agree to the offset language on principal. Either way, Spanos hasn't made a lot of good decisions recently as it relates to his ownership of the franchise and this is just another one that will look bad amongst players (including how they kicked Weddle to the curb last year).

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 07:58 AM) While listening to the radio on the drive home I thought I heard that the CEO of the company's father is a senator from West Virginia. I found that interesting. Yep. I had heard that today. The CEO's response was pretty rough today, that said, she does have a fiduciary duty to her shareholders to maximize profits, so you can't really blame her, it is the system which is broken (she didn't do anything illegal).

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 04:59 PM) Where did I make a r*pe joke? All I posted is no one should be surprised that Cubs fans will be making such jokes, since Y2Jimmy seemed so shocked by the mere notion of it. I think his point was who even goes to that level to think of that based upon rate. Yes, it is a one letter switch, but I just don't think of that and just mentioning it / joking about that being a name (not saying you did) is just despicable in my book.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) Yea, rape joke ends now. Take it out of your post if your posted it. You guys are smarter than that Echoed. It ends now. By the way, it is just a stadium name, I find it hilarious at how many people overreact. They can slap whatever name they want on the stadium, you don't have to call it by that name. Just put a good product on the field, that is all I care about.

Would the Chargers trade his rights for future picks? I'm sure there would be teams who would trade for him.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) Last year, my wife had a child with an extremely severe dairy allergy. Luckily it never came up in her classroom, but he carried an EpiPen with him 24/7. You want anyone around the person to be able to administer the medication quickly, accurately and simply, and that just wouldn't happen with a jar of medication and a syringe. We know our son has both a dairy and peanut allergy. He's had both and not had issues breathing, but we have no idea how he might react as he continues to grow, etc (does it get worse, etc). It does swell up really quick though (so it isn't a few spots we are talking about). His allergy levels when we did the tests were very high and well, I'm not going to f*** around with the life of my son, I can tell you that much (especially since if something like that were to ever happen, I pray it doesn't, I know I'd already be nervous as s*** that I wouldn't want to deal with anything other then the quickest and easiest, least likely to screw up injection). I'm not a doctor and I don't deal in typical life / death situations. I also know that based upon this, I will not mess around with keeping an expired product (as I do with Tylenol / aspirin) cause I will be honest, I probably would have (of course my wife would have vetoed it). Crazy part of this is, the market for this product has to be up so much given the increase of food allergies (would really like to know within our environment is causing the increase). And don't tell me it is the whole kids don't play with dirt aspect, cause my son has been allergic since he was a few months old so somehow I don't think that is it (it isn't like he was 5 and using antibacterial his whole life and not able to play outside and then randomly developed some allergy).

Who is guaranteed rate? Mortgage company?

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 12:23 PM) At prices that high, it's amazing some other competitor hasn't swooped in to make a generic brand and completely cut the legs out from under Mylan. edit: according to random internet site, apparently there have been attempts but the FDA is acting as a road block. https://mises.org/blog/lack-epipen-competitors-fdas-fault For those prices i'd buy a syringe and some Epinephrine. My niece has severe allergies and I know my sister has used Epipens in the past. She's never complained about the cost though. The reason it isn't syringe and some epinephrine is that you need to actually know how to use the syringe, etc. Evidently it isn't overly cut and dry so you'd have to have each person in the family receive more extensive training which exists (as well as any caregivers / day care / etc). And well, to be frank, I'm not going to risk someone screwing that up vs the simple approach when we are talking about a potential life threatening situation. Not something to mess around with.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 12:26 PM) I believe I've read that this one it is specifically patents on the delivery system that make it difficult for generic competition, not the drug itself. That is correct. The injection system is unique vs. the drug and the injection system is critical. You can do it using a standard syringe, but it would require you to receive far more teaching than the injection system that comes with the current unit.