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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 2, 2015 -> 09:50 AM) It's not my money. I just wish the Bulls could make better use of their cash. I didn't think any of their signings were bad uses of their cash. Compare to what most teams are spending money on and the Butler move could turn into a huge coup when cap expands and the Dunleavy deal isn't going to have any long term negative ramifications from a cap perspective (not enough money their). Even the Rose deal, when you look at what guys are getting right now, going forward, I don't see Rose's contract as some huge impediment (but I also expect him to play the majority of the games for the rest of his contract).

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 10:36 AM) The least anyone can offer him as a restricted free agent is 2 years. Not one. Then there's this... http://hoopshype.com/2015/06/17/how-the-bu...ler-in-chicago/ There’s a little known clause in the NBA’s Collective Bargaining Agreement. It is little known because, as best as can be ascertained, it has never been used. When a player coming off of a rookie scale contract is entering restricted free agency, his team can, in addition to the regular qualifying offer of an amount predetermined by the CBA and his draft spot, extend something called a Maximum Qualifying Offer. A Maximum Qualifying Offer is, essentially, an offer of a maximum contract. It is not a contract – it is an offer. It is not binding on the player. It is not something the player has to accept, or that prevents him from signing contracts with other teams, be they in the NBA or elsewhere. But it is something that impacts upon their options afterwards. In a Maximum Qualifying Offer, there can be no option years whatsoever, nor any bonuses, nor any wiggle room on the salary. A Maximum Qualifying Offer is an offer of the very maximum; the full five years, the full 7.5 percent raises, and a full 100 percent guarantee in each year. It is the most player-friendly contract a team can possibly offer. And that is why it has never been used. If Chicago extends Butler a Maximum Qualifying Offer, nothing will ostensibly change. Butler will remain a free agent, he will remain a restricted free agent on account of the original one year qualifying offer he was extended, and he can still accept that QO. He can also accept the Maximum Qualifying Offer, or indeed sign another type of contract with his incumbent team or any other franchise. He does not even have to sign for the maximum, despite how illogical that might seem. The only difference is the length of the offer sheet he can potentially sign with a new team. If Chicago offers a Maximum Qualifying Offer, an offer sheet with a new team has to have at least the first three years be optionless, as opposed to the first two. Steve...you are about a week behind us on this. . Jimmy has a couple options...1, he signs the 1 year qualifying, 2, he accepts the max offer from Bulls, 3, he negotiates something different with Bulls (years, etc), and 4, he signs an offersheet from another team (which the Bulls will match) which is at least 3 years of guaranteed money (no team can offer less).

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 10:02 AM) All a pipe dream unless Rose decides to play for less that what he's making now and/or he is no longer in Chicago, although I do agree they should be shooting for that spending flexibility in case Davis is open to coming here. Random PG Butler McDermott Mirotic Davis I could live with that. It is all a moot point. Bulls cap space is all set to be in a great spot when Davis is available. Who knows what could happen in future but he's the one guy I would think we'd be the pure front-runner to get. Either way, I think this team can contend now and leading up to its eventual run at Davis. By the way, I hope the Spurs get Aldridge. I just love how they keep winning and are just such a quality organization. That said, with Aldridge they'll be a really really tough team to beat.

@KCJHoop: In all Bulls' contacts with Butler, they've had no indications he wants to be elsewhere. Just matter of years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) That'd be a helluva lot of money to turn down for a shot at getting $125 over the next 6 years. What is the 125 over 6 you are talking about? You also have to add that 6th year to his presumed earnings from Bulls. But if he goes elsewhere, he isn't getting a 6 year deal from anyone. Also, Butler hasn't even made 10M thus far in his career. He's got ~$5M in career earnings. So if he takes the qualifying offer this year, he'd have a guaranteed $10M income stream (in terms of his career) vs. taking the max qualifying offer and being just shy of $100M guaranteed NBA income (counting the $5M he has already made). And you could counter this all by saying he could probably pick up an insurance policy that covered somewhere between $30-$50M of lost earnings but even then, you have a lot of money left on the table and a heck of a lot more downside then upside.

If Jimmy signs a 5 year max deal, that could turn into a very very good asset and favorable position when the cap balloons and this team goes after Anthony Davis. Reports are that he is now deciding how many years he wants to sign with the Bulls (per Broussard). I presume Bulls might come down to 4 years (or 5 years with a player out after 4). I don't see the Bulls going shorter then that with Jimmy (no matter what he wants) and if Jimmy is going to go shorter, he's going to have to see if he can leverage another team into a signing him to a tender sheet to the terms he wants (and I just don't know if their are teams out their that will do it...although I suppose the upside of having your cap tied up is that you ensure that a guy like Jimmy is a FA in 3 years time vs. longer term).

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 08:42 AM) Broussard SAUCES say that Butler postponed meetings with LAL, BOS, PHI and DAL after the bulls offer I really hope in next couple days he signs and we can move on to Dunleavy and adding a guy who can be a primary ballhandler and spell Rose (but also ideally play the 2).

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) It is a different situation though, with the cap going up so much next year. Butler will actually make more money if he gambles on himself and take the QO and then get the full max next year. But it's a gamble. I'd rather take the $90 million today and run with it. With cap going up, it is estimated he could get about 8M more. The significant bump in cap is projected for 2 years from now (next year is going to go up but not near the uptick as 2 years from now). The bottom line is, Greg Monroe and Ben Gordon (who are two of the more recent examples) had more money at stake and potential upside then Butler has in this equation (unless of course Butler just wants to get away from the Bulls completely...but I don't buy that one bit...maybe if all thing were equal he'd rather go elsewhere, but he is on a contending team who drafted him, developed him, and just made him a max money offer and its also one of the largest markets). Bottom line, I'd be stunned if he took the 1 year qualifying offer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 08:01 AM) With the cap, I don't think it is really that simple. It isn't like we can spend it on an equal player for a different position because of cap restrictions. Plus with the way the team is set up, he makes the team much better because he compliments both Rose and Butler's games. The spacing on the court with MDJ is much better. Hopefully Snell can keep working on his 3 point shot as he can help (and is a solid defender with defensive upside) and at that same time, I'm hoping McDermott has a healthy off-season and can take steps forward, but having MDJ to learn from will be huge. We have to expect that the expectation is Hoiberg is going to get the young guys lots of developmental minutes. And my theory is, Noah can't be worse then last year, so any loss from Gasol should be offset by Noah's improvements. I think we see Rose take steps forward (but that is a risky prop at best) but have potential upside in Niko / McD / Snell, not to mention fact that their should be a full off-season with the team gelling and I think the enhanced chemistry will go a long way. Like previous years, are we the favorite to win it all, no, but we'll be one of the top 5 teams in the league with a chance to win it all. And we still have young assets (yes some are aging but we still have young assets) and will have prime cap space in a couple years to make a run at Davis (to pair Davis / Butler / Niko).

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 07:25 AM) You're not alone. I feel like that money can be spent elsewhere. I want to get more athletic and less white but that's just me I guess. Dunleavy is good when his shot is falling but he's bad defensively and he'll take minutes from McDermott. I'd rather split the $$ between Stuckey and Barea and then trade Taj for another wing. Hold on. That money can't get allocated to those guys. I'd rather just sign Stuckey with my tax payer exception and then have Dunleavy with bird rights and still have Taj. With Noah's knee, we can't afford to deal Taj, imo. Plus Taj is out with an ankle injury anyway so I don't see it. With MDJ / Snell / McBuckets / Butler (and a Stuckey or someone), I am comfortable with our 2 / 3 (plus Niko I'm sure will still get some time at the 3 as well). Then with Hinrich and Stuckey (or whomever else is signed), I'm more comfortable with our back-up PG situation. Whenever I see a Taj trade rumor, I think, why would we downgrade our front court for such a minimal upgrade in the back court.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 04:21 AM) People might think Butler would be crazy to take a 1 year Qualifying Offer, especially if he's going to miss out on $8M. However, I think he'll take that offer. Greg Monroe has been a good case example for everyone else to look at, he could have easily gotten 4/50 from Detroit last off-season, he takes the $3M/$4M instead, and is now probably getting at least $15M a season from the Knicks. And I think Butler bets on himself, because of the cap increase next off-season. He could make up that $8M and easily triple that on a 5 year max deal with the new cap rise. Now who knows if a team is going to pay that for him, but if the Lakers don't get an Aldridge or Kevin Love, they could still have $40M-$50M to spend on someone in the next off-season, especially with Kobe's $26M coming off the books. It's a risk no doubt, considering how much Butler played last off-season, and he could easily be a repeat of the Luol Deng situation all over again, but I reckon if he really wants to leave Chicago and bolt to Los Angeles, he'll bet on himself again. People will throw out Greg Monroe, but Greg Monroe didn't get a full max offer from Detroit so he bet on himself and had more upside. But that upside is limited, the contract Monroe will sign this year is the contract that Butler has on the table (Monroe never had that offer on the table).

QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 30, 2015 -> 03:44 AM) Am I alone in not really wanting Dunleavy back? Maybe on a one year to work McD into consistent PT but wouldn't be mad if he went elsewhere. Buckets is going to get playing time this year but MDJ is just such a heady, good lockeroom guy and solid shooter and really two way player (never thought I'd say that). He's a versatile asset who makes our offense and court spacing so much better. I expect he won't get near the minutes he got last year, but that is okay. You also need to remember, if you don't bring him back, you don't get to spend that money elsewhere (only reason we can even bid on him is because we have his bird rights). That said, I'm one of MDJ's bigger fans and would love him back at say 2 yr's 12-14M.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 07:39 PM) Hilarious that people think a 1-year qualifying offer is even a thing. Lil confused because team offered him both a 1 year qualifying and a full max offer. No player has every taken the one year qualifying over a full max offer. Maybe Butler is the first, we shall see. Yes, Ben Gordon and Greg Monroe turned down big deals to sign the qualifying offer, but they didn't turn down max deals.

So I read that the difference in income Jimmy could get if he signed the 1 year QO and then signed a 4 year offer elsewhere (unrestricted) in 2016 is basically $8M vs. the Bulls current 5 year max offer (same 5 year periods). If that is the case, vs the potential amount loss if he got hurt this year (now clearly he could get himself an insurance contract to ensure he's taken care of with injury, but I don't know that it is worth $8M in total over a 5 yr span. So with that in mind, I would think it would be hard for any agent to recommend he takes that 1 year qualifying offer vs. what is currently on the table. Now the potential changes if he were to sign a 3 year guaranteed deal but even then, I really am curious if a team will ultimately give him an offer sheet. If they do, they have to know the Bulls will match under all scenarios (anything we match will be cheaper then what we already have offered him) so all they are going to do is tie up their cap space for 3 days. Having gone through the scenarios and if Butler follows logic, I don't see him getting that 3 year term sheet and thus I see him taking our 5 year deal. His agents and the Bulls are going to play hardball because I'm sure he's going to do whatever he can to try and gain leverage to get exit clauses in their so he can go back and earn more money when CBA extends.

Dunleavy indicates that he wants to come back to Bulls and also says any rift between Rose / Butler is chatter. Goes on to say he expects Butler to be back based upon conversations he has had w/Jimmy. Does indicate he is pushing for a pay raise from what he made this past year, which I am fine with. MDJ is a solid player to have and giving him a bit more juts means a bit more cash for JR to spend, doesn't block any moves.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 03:09 PM) Yeah it seems that way. But how is having someone on the team that doesn't want to be there good for the team? I know he will be fighting for another contract if that is what happens but doesn't mean he will play good team ball. Butler is by far my favorite on my team and I really hope everything we heard from other people isn't true and he truly wants to be here and he will sign a contract for 3+ years Jimmy just doesn't seem like that kind of guy. I think he wants to be the face of a franchise but the dude has done nothing but put in the work and he deserves to get paid a lot of money and I hope and expect him to continue to put in the work and get better. I haven't heard one thing from him that bothers me through this process. I can't believe with his personality he isn't getting more marketing deals. I probably think that is what bothers him, with Rose on the Bulls, he probably feels his marketing ops have been limited but as his personality comes out and he signs this deal, more ops are going to pop up. He's so much more entertaining and marketable then Rose (personality and public speaking skills are superior).

Bulls supposedly have Belinelli and Stuckey on their lists of FA targets. Both would be real nice fits. I am curious if they'll look at Ben Gordon as a vet min bench guy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 02:12 PM) We will get a much better idea of how true all of the rumors are now. If he signs the full deal, the rumors are total BS. If he signs the shorter deal, then we still have to wonder if he wants out, or just a shot at a new max deal in a couple of years. I think the only one that I'd be concerned about if I were a Bulls fan, would be if he took the 1 yr deal (paid roughly 4-5M for one year and then becomes a UFA), because at that point, Jimmy can go wherever he wants. He could still very much think the Bulls are #1 but you'd have to contend with everyone and he could at that point sign a long term deal with an opt out a year in to go through the whole process again. I think most realistic scenario is he'll sign a deal with someone else w/4 years (opt out after 3 years) at whatever the max deal is and then the Bulls will match it and we'll go through this process after 3 years. I presume Bulls won't put an opt-out any sooner then year 3 on any deal they offer him.

On a sidenote, it wasn't that long ago that Butler was in LA for an ESPN appearance (after we had gotten knocked out of the playoffs) and they asked Jimmy about going elsewhere and he said he intended to stay in Chicago and how the Bulls were the one organization who drafted him and saw talent in him and was their from the beginning, etc. Not sure if that was before or after Thibs was fired though.

Bulls officially offer Butler qualifying offer and max qualifying offer. This means we have officially offered Butler a max deal. Could all of the posturing on his side been a way to ensure he actually received the full max offer (presume it was a foregone conclusion but you never know). Would be so awesome if Jimmy just signed the full max qualifying. Either way, Butler either accepts a shorter term deal from a non Bulls team (shortest another team can offer, prior to any opt out clauses is 3 years) or he takes the Bulls max offer or he takes his qualifying offer and plays for peanuts for 1 more year before becoming an unrestricted free agent.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) I would bet collectively, the 2015 White Sox roster has more postseason experience than the 2005 roster had coming into that season. The rotation alone had plenty of post-season experience (club had made the playoffs in 2000 and still had some guys from that roster, including Garland / Buehrle / Konerko). Then you had AJP / Dye / Carl Everett / Big Hurt (albeit he was hurt) as regular position players. Other pitchers with experience included Jose Contreras, Frederico, El Duque, Luis Vizcaino, and Dustin Hermanson.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 10:07 AM) How? In all seriousness what NBA team is looking at Derrick Rose and wanting a part of that? Unless we get back an equal, or worse, contract, it ain't happening. Rose will be a FA by the time I anticipate Butler will be in his potential walk year (2-3 years from now), so even if you can't trade Rose immediately, he'll be away and you can turn franchise to Butler. And if Rose is healthy next year, Bulls will be able to trade him (if that was what was needed). If he wasn't healthy, it is a moot point because it is Butler's team anyway (since Rose is hurt). All that said, I think both guys will end up pushing each other to be better and I've said this numerous times but I expect Rose to be much better this upcoming year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) LA is LA. Half of the NBA wants to be there. Yeah and LA is trending upwards. They will have a behemoth of cash and they now have two nice young pieces (Randle / Russell) and another quality 2nd year player in Clarkson. Key being they have a bagillion in cap space after Kobe walks away (and plenty of space now). LA will be serious players in a few years, albeit, some of that is pending the emergence of those young players. Drafting Russel was a major coup cause he'll make everyone better and is probalby the type of guy other "Alpha's" would want to play with.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 09:00 AM) He's only restricted this year though right? So in reality the Bulls can get him next season for sure, but after that it's a bidding war. We can offer him that extra year, but he doesn't have to take it. He could choose to just take a Bulls 1 year offer. If he accepts any other teams deal, then we match and he's with us at least 3 years. Reality is he probably works something out with the Bulls for a 4 or 5 year deal with an opt out in 2 years but I don't know if the Bulls are going to play hard ball and see if he really waits and signs for super cheap. If he did sign super cheap this year, might change things as Bulls could find a way to get cap space and be major players and then hope to sign someone else and then you can just pay massive tax and use the bird rights on Jimmy Buckets after you win the title. PS: If Butler and Rose don't get along, Rose is gone. Find a way but Jimmy is the Alpha on this squad. All that said I hope they can both make amends and would think with Rose's personality they probably could.

Bottom line, with Butler it doesn't matter now. He has no choice but to sign with the Bulls so its all a moot point. We control where he goes and that is a beautiful thing. He might not be happy with Chicago now, but he wants his money and he's going to put in the work and Hoiberg will have his time to show Jimmy why he should stay in Chicago (as will the rest of the front office and the teams performance). All of this nonsense is just talk and speculation. I'll get worried about stuff like this when he is truly a year away. Reality is, the shortest deal he could get is with the Bulls and IIRC, if he signs an offer sheet from someone else, it basically means we have him at least 3 years (and just match that) cause any other teams offer sheet has to contain at least 3 guaranteed years (presuming the Bulls do all the right things in terms of qualifying offers to make and their is no reason they wouldn't).