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QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 03:11 PM) Say your sandwich pick signs for $300k above slot. You didn't plan it that way, but that's how it worked out. Some later picks sign at slot or are unsigned still. Now your first round pick demands to be X overslot, forcing you to choose between signing him and some other guys go later in the draft. He has extra leverage because if you DON'T sign him, you lose his slot money and have to pay a penalty because you are already over-budget. This is the first time there's been any discernable cost associated with NOT signing a guy. Now you have to sacrifice either way. I agree with that, but at the same time, that strategy has long excited. However, it was more a matter of internal budgets. Now, everyone is on a level playing field and I for one am very happy about that. Let the best scouts/front offices/coaches (to develop said players) win. Not who has the biggest budget/resources to spend on the draft.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 02:54 PM) It's indeed part of the CBA draft changes. Begins next year I believe. I knew they had talked about it, I guess somewhere in the midst of working crazy hours I hadn't realized it was approved. Makes more sense that it starts next year (cause I certainly hadn't read anything about it when reading stuff on this years draft). Thats what I get for thinking I'd get anything worthwhile from the bleacherreport.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 02:51 PM) Oh, I'm sorry, I think I misunderstood your question. I get it now. Sorry to confuse my info. However, I still think the slot dollars are a big deal, not because you need them later, but because of the leverage created by semantics as I described. Think of it this way, I'm a #1 pick and the slot is 1.5M. If I'm going to pay $1.5M for that pick and don't sign it, nothing lost. All I lose is what was slotted there. On the flipside, if I was strategically going overslot at that pick (say spending $2M), then that could hurt me, since I probably went underslot in other areas. However, that is strategy and whose to say you don't hedge that bet by grabbing another guy in the draft who you have cushion for if you do think that is a possibility (so you can go overslot on that guy if you miss out on your projection here).

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 02:52 PM) Your feelings on LeBron are quite bogus. Dude. Whats with being snippy and the personal attacks. There have been way too many lately. You don't have to type in absolutes and picking the guy who is arguably the 2nd best player in the league over Lebron isn't that big of a deal. It isn't as if he's saying he'd rather have Joakim Noah. And while I think most people pick Lebron, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a chunk of people in the league that would take Durant over LBJ. Durant isn't a primma donna, he's a better scorer, and he's younger. That said, Lebron is a better passer (and defender) and a more gifted all around player.

I must be living in a hole but I was not aware of this (excerpt courtesy of bleachererport): DRAFT LOTTERY – This is not what it sounds like. For those who may have watched the anti-climactic NBA lottery the other night in which they put on display for all to see how they fix the draft to award their agenda, you will not see that concept here. Instead, it will work like this. Teams with the 10 lowest revenues (not payrolls) and 10 smallest markets will be entered into a lottery for a total of six selections immediately following the first round. Clubs that lose that lottery will go into a second lottery for six supplemental picks immediately after the second round. Also included in the second-round lottery will be any clubs that received money as part of baseball’s revenue-sharing plan. Obviously there will probably be some overlap in the qualifications as a good amount of low revenue teams also fall into the small market category. This is designed to off-set the fact that lower market teams like the Pirates who can’t typically afford to make a big splash in the free agent market but instead spend their money in the draft will now be under restrictions. Personally, I don’t think it’s a fair solution for either side. The small market teams are penalized by not allowing them to allocate their revenue the way they see fit, and the large market teams receive less bodies in the draft that is essentially a lottery to begin with.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) No, in fact the leverage has swung the other way. If a guy doesn't sign, the team LOSES the recommended slot for that pick from their available pool of funds. Imagine the implications: if a later round pick has signed for anything above slot, the early round guy can threaten not to sign and thus subject the team to penalties! This is just one of the new rules that I think is going to make the next couple drafts a mess until they rethink it. You are mistaken. They would receive the draft pick in the following year. Yes, you would lose the slot for that pick (but that isn't that big of a deal in most instances, unless you went under slot on that pick with a plan of spending a little more later on). However, if the Sox couldn't sign the 13th pick, they would get the 14th pick next year. I think it will be Stroman. DJ Davis is another guy I think the Sox like and could go after (tools wise, they like guys like Davis; the prep thing, not as much, but if they go position player, its almost surely going to be a prep guy).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 10:26 AM) Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler From a team reported to be in on Soler: "A lot of raw power…runs from breaking balls…flinches…runs around the OF like an 80-year-old man." That is from a team in on Soler. I wonder if they are saying that to detract other teams, hoping that rumor gets out there and scares certain clubs away?

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 02:08 PM) No, in fact the leverage has swung the other way. If a guy doesn't sign, the team LOSES the recommended slot for that pick from their available pool of funds. Imagine the implications: if a later round pick has signed for anything above slot, the early round guy can threaten not to sign and thus subject the team to penalties! This is just one of the new rules that I think is going to make the next couple drafts a mess until they rethink it. I didn't realize you no longer receive compensation if a guy doesn't sign.

I will only refer to Beckham as the Slayer from here on out. He's got his mojo back and deserves it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 01:49 PM) I never said that at all, but OK. Honestly I think OPS is a bit misleading because it gives overweight to slugging stats, and doesn't weight their negative outcomes very well. Looking at Runs scored and RBIs is another double counted stat for a home run hitter. He gets an RBI and a run scored in each homer. Runs scored are also a product of the guys hitting behind you. RBI's are a large part of the guys hitting in front of you. Even at that... OBP-in line with career numbers OPS-barely ahead of career numbers. Balance that with the things you choose to look at, plus his negatives, and then add in the expectations there are for an Adam Dunn, and I arrive at a C. If you want to detail your grading system and do something, have at it. The real question, and only you can answer this (and it is your opinion) is whether you think that Adam Dunn, from a career perspective, is an A player. I think it depends on where you as an individual fall from a stat perspective. Given that he can't play defense and has flaws (such as a low batting average and high strikeouts), I personally would never rate Adam Dunn (via his career averages) as an A player. I'd rate him a B to B+ player. To be frank, that is the same rating I'd give a Paul Konerko on a career average perspective (or very similar). However, I think some people would potentially argue Dunn (at his averages) is an A player (because of OBP, OPS, and his pure slugging). There is a disparity in how 2 different people view certain stats and give weight to certain stats.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 11:56 AM) NHL, NBA, NFL, MLB are all somewhat dictated by the officials. NCAA bball is one of the extremes as well. I'd say MLB is the least dictated by the officials and in reality they have tons of potential subjectivity. In general, MLB has the best refs/umps followed by the NFL and then NBA (dead last). I did not grade the NHL as I don't know enough to give a grade.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 01:29 PM) LOL, OK, yeah, its a "lock". Nevermind that since 2006 the've only done that once with their first pick (Sale in 2010). I love when people call this sort of thing a "lock". Did you buy a lottery ticket today? I've been a lock to win the lottery every time I've bought a ticket. Been freaking robbed every time, its bullcrap I tell you, bullcrap. The only lock in the draft is that at least half of Soxtalk will be pissed at whomever is drafted.

Guys, enough with the whose dick is bigger argument. None of us care about your fantasy team and whose right/wrong about this.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 01:28 PM) It is for the Sox, though. They NEVER go over slot on a first round pick. Especially a HS pitcher with arm troubles. Not happening. That isn't a major issue anymore. No one is going to go over slot (at least not by much) and they were talking about pick #48. At 13 you wouldn't have to go overslot to get him. And if he doesn't sign, you get a 1st rounder next year (in what will almost undoubtedly be a stronger draft). The only major negative is you lose out on a year of development on whomever that pick would be.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 12:47 PM) Giolito, Stroman, or bust Please say no to Heaney, Smoral, Stratton In terms of Stroman, Heaney or Stratton, none of them are reaches at 13.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) I can't see the Sox paying that kind of coin to a guy with a real chance at losing two years of development. In the grand scheme of things though, 1 - 1.5M isn't really that much of an investment.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 01:16 PM) Sv Sit: 6 1/3 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, 6 K, 0.00 ERA, 0.95 WHIP, 3 K:BB NonSv: 12 1/3 IP, 13 H, 6 BB, 15 K, 7.30 ERA, 1.54 WHIP, 2.5 K:BB So yeah, I'd say pretty drastic, although obviously small sample sizes. Plus wasn't there one or game where he gave up like 5 runs, which in an of itself can have a major impact on a reliever given the sample size.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 01:10 PM) listen son, i'm already ahead in my fantasy league by 20 games. 20. Why? Because I predicted Andre Ethier's explosion even though he hit 12 homers and had 40-some rbi last year. I predicted Dexter Fowler's explosion even though he's been awful till this year. I predicted Lucas Duda's ... not explosion like the others, but extremely serviceable start. What's the common denominator between ALL 3? O. B. P. end of story. edit: Throw Kipnis in there as well. Number one 2B this year. Called that too. Really...thats great. Your fantasy team is doing well. Major league baseball isn't fantasy baseball. Andre Ethier's explosion? Really, dude is a stud and has been. Guy was on pace for the triple crown prior to going down with an injury a year ago. Fowler, sure he might have struggled, but lets not pretend he wasn't one of the top prospects in the game.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) seriously? are you kidding? i've posted like 3 things. where were you telling 2k and shack to calm down? no personal attacks were levied, and no post deletions were warranted. None of the posts I removed had anything to do with the debate and were just you two personally snipping at each other. You have a problem with that, send me a message, but that type of crap (what I deleted) doesn't need to be read by the forum.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 01:09 PM) I had no idea how expensive it would be to implement. Plus you have potential disadvantages. You need every stadium to have the same set-up/systems. If you don't, there could be big differences. The other big thing is how do you figure out how to move the runners in situations where a foul ball is overturned to being called fair? That isn't objective (thus you've brought subjectivity back into the equation). Whats next, every borderline call is ruled fair (only to be overturned)? I can live with it in the playoffs where the margin for error can ruin a season or series. I just don't believe you are going to miss out on the playoffs because of the lack of instant reply. You may win one or two games as a result of bad calls, but as a whole, that should even itself out over 162 games. Heck, even if the blown call happened in game 162 and cost you, I could probably point to a few other opportunities where a team got the benefit of the doubt anyway. Plus I don't want the game to be any slower.

Reddy/2k...calm down. No need to bicker back and forth. Lets stick to the actual discussion at hand. Which, there has been some good ole fashion healthy debate/discussion throughout this thread.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 10:27 AM) The second that Selig ceases to be commissioner, the better off MLB will be. The game might actually get full instant replay one of these decades. Plus the ASG will go back to the meaningless piece of trash that it should be. I do not support full instant replay. And in reality, I don't get too worked up on the whole ASG thing. Selig has done some pretty good things in his tenure, one of all, labor peace since 1994. In the playoffs, I can get behind it and support it, but not for the regular season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 12:43 PM) And that's fair...I don't have a problem with giving Jake an A...I guess I don't think a grading scale should be based on your subjective expectations... Dunn is coming off the worst season in modern professional baseball history...yet your expectations were exactly what he is doing now....and therefore he gets a C... But hey, it's your thread. Correction: It is everyone's thread. Grades are as subjective as it gets and everyone is entitled to their opinions.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) He has certainly been outstanding, I wouldn't argue that, but his numbers are trending upwards quickly...To say he is a better pitcher now than he was in San Diego...I'd have a really difficult time believing that...He had 3 seasons in SD that I would consider him to be better than this year. You also have to take into account the park factor. Peavy has been dynamite this year. And pre-injury he was one of the best pitchers in the game. People forget that. He's finally 2 years removed and we are seeing the benefits of him having a normal off-season. I don't know if he'll keep it up, but the stuff is great and I think (that said, I was one of the few people backing Peavy this off-season) he'll be one of the better pitchers in baseball all year. That said, you never know what could happen.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 12:24 PM) So, the other day I was thinking of how wonderful it is to have Sale, Viciedo, Reed, a seemingly rejuvenated Beckham, and a hopefully not dead Morel. Then I was wondering about how man, they'll be expensive when they hit arbitration. If you're the White Sox, do you start considering signing any of those five to deals like the Rays signed Longoria to when he came up and started making noise? I think it is early to talk about all of this. Additionally, the Sox have done a fantastic job locking up guys when the time comes anyway. Haven't gone through arbitration in forever. No need to hand out any long-term deals to the above players. Lots of time before decisions have to be made. Becks is the only guy you think about it with and even then, you need to see a bigger picture before you make a decision.