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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2009 -> 09:36 AM) 80 wins looks a lot more promising than 70, especially with a guy like Jake Peavy on the horizon. Its a lot harder to sell tickets for a mythical guy that might be here in 2012 or so. We all know that the season ticketholder base means everything to Jerry and the board going forward. It is also easier to bring in FA's when you are at least coming off a semi-decent season.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 2, 2009 -> 09:27 AM) If Kenny knows this team only needs minor tweaks then why would a strong finish change anything? It impacts the fan base and potentially puts renewals in doubt. If this team wins like 4 games in September that could severely mess a lot of things up. It probably doesn't, but it could. Not to mention winning 4 or 5 games probably means a s***load of guys have really sucked which again makes you question what might be there. Bottom line, I like my teams to win and play good.

White Sox September To-Do/See List By Mario Scalise When you go from second place and as close as two games out to third place and as 7 games out, and your GM trades two vets and cash for a couple minor leaguers at the waiver wire deadline, it's time to start looking at next year. But with a month to play, let's look at the present with a September to-do/see list for the free-falling White Sox. In no particular order...Rest of the Article

Plus you finish strong and it also shows you have a good team and it ensures we don't just entirely blow this thing up. Small changes are needed and I think Kenny knows that. We should get a shot at a pretty good player picking in the top 15 anyway and I expect us to be in that spot.

The funny thing is I heard Keith Law saying that the Contreras move would have the biggest impact on a contender and in a positive way.

I won't root against the Sox because if the club wins because Hudson and other young players are playing well than thats a great thing, imo.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Sep 1, 2009 -> 09:48 PM) Well, at least we won't lose a first round pick when we sign all those type A free agents this offseason. I'd be happy with a top 15 pick just for that reason, to protect our 1st rounder in the case the club signs Figgins and loses a draft pick.

I don't agree with him on the rotation, but for the most part he summed it up well and while this season has been a disaster I'm already excited for next season because this team is close.

Kind of cool, but the first article was linked by Scott Reifert. http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/ http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/sports/200...-to-soxnet.html

Thome Trade Begins Flowers' Era By Danny Santaromita SoxNet Top catching prospect Tyler Flowers highlights the September call-ups for the White Sox. What can he bring to the table in the short-term?Full Analysis at the Link

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 08:24 PM) Chisoxfn, Is this one of the inside source type things or can you offer me some proof? I’m not questioning you here, just curious. Swisher isn't an average dependent player, and statistically Swish is on pace to have the second best year of his career. Look, I hate Swish, but I have it on very good record that Swish had clubhouse problems and than some in Chicago (sniff sniff).

Thought it was worthy of its own thread. But the MRI results came back and the elbow injury is just a bone bruise and Peavy's elbow is A-OK. WHOOOO!!!

I've b****ed and moaned about Thome a lot over the years, but Thome is a high character individual that you can be proud to cheer for and he gave it his all in Chicago. I hope he can win a ring in LA and find a way to get to the 600 mark. Good luck in LA Jimmy!!!

The Bronze Titan. I won't miss watchim him pitch (I hated everything about his pitching style) but he had a special run for a while in Chicago and is an incredibly hard working individual. I wish you the best Jose!!!

QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:47 PM) By paying most of Contreras' remaining salary. Except that the reports are indicating that the Sox are getting cash from the Rockies.

On a sidenote, for those of you saying we aren't getting Fuller, I haven't seen anyone from the Sox take back that statement. InsidetheSox (Reifert) reported it was Fuller and until he retracts it I'm going to say its a done deal with Fuller.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:32 PM) Wouldn't mind that at all. He's at least spend alot of time in AAA and has been very effective there. Kid had a 3.83 era in the PCL.. That's doin work. He's more ready than Hudson IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sox shut down a Buehlre or someone else or even went with a 6 man rotation and gave both Hynick and Hudson a start or two. But I think you guys would be surprised. Sox like Hudson a lot and while he wasn't ready to come in and get thrown to the wolves (he needed a bit more time in AAA and still might) but Hudson could really benefit from a couple starts late this season. It also gives Ozzie and Coop an early look at the kid who will probably be our 5th starter to start next season (although with Kenny, you never know for sure). But my guess is it'll either be Hudson or Garcia.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:38 PM) Yep. There has been about 5 chances for Hudson to come up and start, and the Sox haven't taken it. They obviously feel he isn't ready, which is fine. I think it was more that those situations weren't the right ones to bring Hudson up in. Now the Sox can let Hudson come up and actually "develop" so to speak at the big league level and I expect him to get at least 1-2 starts for the Sox this year.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:35 PM) He could be a solid BP arm (Carrasco type role) a strong #4 type starter, or like you said.. nothing. I really like his arm though, his changeup is very good and he's very smart. Hopefully we can take him to some interleague play as well.. I like his chances though. Not too many pitchers pitch well in the PCL. BTW, nice article Jas. Thanks, I was gassed from a long day of work, but wanted to get at least a little something up there.

Josh Fields is on his way up to Charlotte, per Cowley. Cowley is also tweeting that Pods will get the bulk of the at bats at DH. However, I expect that will change as September wears on (if the Sox fall out further) and we'll see a lot more of T-Flow.

QUOTE (tommy @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:26 PM) I think Pods will be doing a lot of DH'ing with the outfield of Carlos, Alex and Jermaine. We will be seeing a lot of Tyler Flowers, who will be joining the club tomorrow.

White Sox Trade Thome, Contreras By Mario Scalise SoxNet Following tonight's 4-1 loss, both Jim Thome and Jose Contreras have been traded in a final-hour waiver-wire deal; Thome to the Dodgers and Contreras to the Rockies. While Thome was of greater value to the Sox this season, it was actually Contreras who landed the Sox more in return. The White Sox received minor league right-handed pitcher Brandon Hynick, who in 26 starts (155 innings) posted a 3.83 ERA and a K/BB ratio of 92/48. Thome, and cash went to the Dodgers for minor league infielder Justin Fuller, who is 26 and in single-A. So essentially that deal was one to get Thome a chance to play in the playoffs. Surely the Dodgers weren't going to give a lot for a DH that will only serve as a pinch-hitter for them. First Reaction The White Sox traded two guys that really had no spot on the 2010 team, did so at the last possible moment, and landed themselves an above-average pitching prospect that could be fighting for a rotation spot in March. Both are good moves. Thome wasn't going to bring back any value unless an AL team expressed interest. As soon as the possibilities shifted to the NL, his value dropped. Contreras, meanwhile, still has an arm capable of shutting guys down, especially now in the NL against players who have had little little experience against him, if any at all.

What the Sox Got In Return By Jason Gage SoxNet.net has looked to it's sister site, FutureSox.com to break down the youngsters heading to Chicago as part of the Thome and Contreras trades. Thome and Cash for Justin Fuller This move had more to do with financial savings and sending Thome to a contender than it did prospects. Fuller is a 26 year-old middle infielder who hasn't made it past high-a ball. Combine that with a career .244 average and we are talking about a pure organizational guy with zero upside. Jose Conteras for Cash and Brandon Hynick: The Sox got surprising value for Contreras. While I think every Sox fan owes Jose a thank-you for the 2005 season, we should also thank Kenny for acquiring Brandon Hynick. Hynick isn't a can't miss prospect and he might not pan out, but he is a guy that possesses an above average change-up, very good composure, and the ability to develop into a potential back of the rotation starter.More

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:23 PM) Really, have you heard that from the organization? I hope that's not true. I'm not sold on Getz or Nix as everyday 2B when we have Beckham and Alexei capable of anchoring the MIF. And Viciedo has only played one game at 1B as a member of the Sox. Just because someone hasn't played 1st yet, doesn't mean it isn't in the plans. Viciedo is a bad defensive 3rd baseman and he's either moving to 1st or left field. In regards to Getz, I haven't spoken of him, but Ozzie himself said he was part of the Sox future and I know the Sox like him a lot. Whether you agree with it or not is another statement, but I will tell you that Viciedo is a superior prospect to Brandon Allen.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:20 PM) I think Paulie will be dealt in the winter. For some reason, I have a hunch he'll allow a trade, although not just to anywhere, which unfortunately restricits his value and the amount of potential teams. Thome won't be dealt, he'll just be gone after the year. Might even retire. Paulie has always said he woudln't get in the way of a trade if it is in the best interest of the Sox (I'm sure he has a few places he wouldn't want to go, but if the Sox were sending him to a quality franchise he's a-ok with it).