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QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:18 PM) Eat a couple mil and send him to the Braves. Then call up... oh wait. Nevermind. [heavy sarcasm]Maybe we can get Casey Kotchman for him?[heavy sarcasm] But yeah, if we move Paulie we need something other than the likes of Josh Kroeger, Aubrey Huff, or Kevin Millar to put there. Viciedo is the 1st base prospect of the future. It is why Allen was much more expendable than some would have liked. Beckham is the 3b of the present and future. Ramirez the SS of the present and future.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:17 PM) AJP would be a awesome captain.. atleast we'd have some more fire in this team. i can't stand konerko's post game interviews with his cheesy answers on why they lose.. dye looks miserable/tired out there and Thome's age is really starting to catch up to his bat/body it seems. The Sox are going away from the guys who have extended hot and cold streaks so they can be a more consistent team. While Thome walks consistently he doesn't hit consistently and ultimate I figure that will be the reason he's gone. That said he's a very good veteran and provides some things that no one else on the roster can provide (good OBP, tons of power from the left side).

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:12 PM) Konerko is the only one with value they can really deal for a return.. and i wouldn't mind it if we got rid of his contract. bring back thome next year and let dye go. sign a stud 1b/or LF and have Kotsay/Pods fill in. It might be hard to put a Paulie deal together so fast, but I think he'll be gone, along with THome and Dye. Sox are going to change there veteran presence in the lineup and my guess is AJP will be the new captain.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:06 PM) The only ignorance around here was people believing this team had a chance at being anything just because they beat up on some NL teams in June and were in the race because the AL Central is an absolute joke. Certainly, it would have been difficult to trade away the dinosaurus when we were only 3 games back or whatever it was at the deadline, but the fact is this team isn't good, has never been good, and now our long term prospects have taken a hit because we kept the old guys around for a race that was over before the month of September even started. What long-term prospects were hurt? The Sox got Peavy and Rios for the next few years. So whatever we gave up for them can't be blamed and I find it hard pressed that Thome would have waived his no-trade clause to leave Chicago when the Sox were 2-3 games out of it (not to mention the PR impact, which again, would never be done again after the fiasco that was the White Flag trade, PR wise). Who are the Sox not playing? Danks has struggled down in AAA so he really isn't missing ab's. I guess you could say that FLowers should have been up or maybe Hudson but the reality is additional time in the minors was beneficial to them. SO I really don't see what the Sox held back on? And I have a ton of doubts that the Sox would have gotten a ton for Dye if in fact it is true and his contract becomes guaranteed for next year if he's moved (I think we might get one good prospect if we move a Dye/Thome/Dotel). So I really am not seeing what long term prospects have taken a hit because of this?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 07:01 PM) You know what's worse business? Not doing what's best for the long term interest of the franchise just because a mediocre division is keeping you close in the race. Now, we're not in the playoffs and are going to get nothing but hit or miss draft picks or nothing trade packages for our veterans who have collapse down the stretch. It appears the jackasses around here are the people who were saying I was crazy all July for saying we should be in sell mode. You all were proven wrong, but I enjoy the fact you are reverting to personal attacks rather than admitting it. Great example to set as a moderator. I'm not just a mod, I'm the owner and when I see someone making absolutely ignorant statements I'll call him out for it. I don't care what you want to say, the stupidest thing the club could have done at that point was to sell everything (and this is coming from the same jackass, me, who wanted to sell the team in May).

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 06:50 PM) Why wasn't this done in late July? Or a week ago for that matter? It's too late for this now, should have sold what parts we do have when we had the chance. Are you a jackass? Seriously, I understand I'm making a personal attack but my god, the team was barely out of 1st place and they acquired Jake Peavy. Why would they have moved Dye/Thome. That would have been suicide to the fan base and the waiving of a white flag. JR would never do that again after the PR hit the club took.

I speculated at this earlier and it doesn't surprise me. I'm glad Kenny is doing this and I hope we see Dye and Thome moved. Maybe even Dotel or Liney.

Will Pods garner any sort of compensation on the market if we offer him arbitration? I know he sucked last year, but he's been pretty darn good this year.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:47 AM) Too bad playing Flowers means sitting down one of the few veterans who's actually hitting. Maybe AJ can DH when Flowers plays, or maybe Flowers DH's? I wouldn't be shocked if the Sox pulled out a quick trade sending one of Dye/Thome or even Konerko to another team. Less likely that it would be Paulie, since they'd have more time to work out a trade, but if Thome wants to play for a contender now would be his chance. Basically throw em on waivers, see who claims up, put together whatever deal you can and get something for them.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 10:45 AM) who else will be coming up? anyone have any ideas? I'm sure wise will... Wise and Getz will be coming off the DL. Flowers. Other possibilities are Hudson, Link, and Nunez.

Cool. It'll at least be fun to see what these young kids can do. My guess is we might see Hudson too, just so he can see what the major leagues is like.

Resevoir Dogs, and Kill Bill would be the exceptions. Pulp Fiction was solid too, didn't like it as much as all of you guys though.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 10:25 PM) I've never been as motivated by this thread to see a film as I now am to see Basterds. I like 90% of Quentin's films as it is, but between some of the early reviews and my general preconception that Nazis are not necessarily the humor well I was half-expecting ths one to miss the mark. I'm glad to see a number of posters here give this one high marks and put it back in my sights. Well I hate to rain on the parade, but I thought it stunk. Than again I think Quentin stinks and I am rarely, if ever, a fan of his films.

Hopefully I'll be changing my title here in a couple weeks as to what I do. Am hoping to be joining a large semi-conductor company doing some international work for them (op audits).

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) Ramirez will be traded. We will have a new SS or 3B next year. I honestly think Beckham could be a great SS in this league. For anyone who will gripe about Ramirez defense, you can not tell me Beckham will be better defensively. Absolutely, no way will that be the case.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 11:22 AM) Quote of the Day... "You won't believe how terrible this White Sox team is defensively..." Anonymous AL Advance Scout to the Yankees' broadcast crew. Guillen is pissed, pissed, pissed. It seems that the intimation from the announcers is that Guillen didn't want to start Contreras and was forced to against his will by KW. I could have told you the team was going to suck defensively given who we had starting over the majority of the season. Its f***ing terrible.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 09:20 AM) He didn't fit in Chicago? Bulls***, the guy ruled the Chicago media for the 1st half of the year. Remember the nicknames? The CSN appearances? The Charity events? Things turned bad for Swish, when things got bad for the team. Swish had an aberration of a year and still managed to hit for power and get on base, even while losing his playing time to Dewayne Wise. By all accounts almost everyone on the team loved him (Jenks and Crede, specifically), and that the main issue was with Ozzie. Furthermore, the majority of the negative feedback comes from Joe Cowley (who might as well be writing for a tabloid) a guy, who didn't like Swish from the start. Also, no position on this team? CF would have looked a lot nicer with him in it for the beginning of the year. All I can tell you is that the above couldn't be more un-true (in regards to how the team as a whole felt about Swish). And while Swisher is having a better season this year, he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire with his sub .250 average.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Aug 29, 2009 -> 12:13 PM) Agreed. If it was cryptville's wish, then give it to him. Take away the other sites or make people use them. Let's not have a site because people ask for them, and then not make them use them. Well what I was thinking of is going a more drastic route where when you log into each site there are a list of forums, but all the same database. When you go to Soxtalk, the baseball sites are at the top, when you go to TalkBears, the Bears forum is at the top. The Off Topic is the same forum and everything and basically put each site just has its own unique skin but in its entirety we are talking about one massive site with customized graphics. I have no clue how possible this is, but it was my idea. Basically put there would be the following forums (plus or minus some): Diamond Club, White Sox, Future Sox, Trade Winds (When Needed), Bears, Bulls, Generic Sports Forum. If stuff got very popular, there could be seperate forums for each sport..ie a baseball one, a football one, a basketball one, etc. And the order of the forums just depends on the site you are on.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 02:39 PM) I think that's been a huge problem lately. Just because people want a certain player or players gone, it does not mean that their contributions in the past are not respected. When someone makes a post about letting so-and-so walk, or trading this guy, it is immediately met with "don't you even care what this guy has given to the team in his tenure here?" posts. Yeah, I'm grateful and I respect the contributions. I respect the hell out of guys like Tony Gwynn and Frank Thomas, but I don't want either on this team. I feel like we should take a lesson from the mafia and begin each post discussing getting rid of a player with the line "With all due respect..." I've called for a ton of guys to get moved on. I was just responding to the f*** Paul Konerko post cause I think that is harsh. IF we want to turn the page and go another direction, I agree. Afterall, I've been calling people out for a long time and coming up with whacky trade ideas almost every season I've been a part of this site. Good post by the way Milkman and I agree with what your saying.

Ouch, evidently the deal falls through.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 02:18 PM) That's why I bust out laughing (I laugh at the Cubs regardless) when their short bus fans and others try to blame their terrible season on injuries. NOBODY has had to deal with more on the injury front (and as you mentioned, the terrible Adenhart tragedy) then the Angels have. They've got a heck of a franchise. I ache for us to get to that level of year-in and year-out consistency to which they've achieved. Completely agree.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 12:31 PM) Pennington is an active player who once had 1 unbelievable season, same with Rivers. In Pennington's case he showed he was playing over his head. If Rivers does it again, he will have 2 unbelievable seasons and I will call him a top 3 QB. I'm not calling Rivers a fluke either, I'm in happy medium land, sitting back and waiting to see what he does this year. Rivers is in that same area as Cutler though.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 01:13 PM) What do you mean? Ya, balta, I'm curious what you are referring to?

QUOTE (jamesdiego @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) I love it that most here agree on Konerko. KW and Oz have to have some of the same feelings we share. KW took my advice last year about Swish and Javy, hopefully he will this time about Paulie. In the email I sent him, I had the subject heading: "F*** Konerko". He has my opinion on the matter. I think your being a bit harsh on Konerko and I find it hard to believe that Kenny would take anything with that subject line very serious. We can say what we want about Paulie, but he's been an above average 1st baseman and a high character guy during his tenure here and that goes along way. Could he be the man showed the door this off-season, sure, but I don't think its because the Sox are over him or dislike him cause that clearly isn't the case. They might think a new voice is needed and maybe to do that they move Paulie, but they might also find a way to keep Paulie and bring in a new "captain" so to speak or maybe Beckham starts to grab that role and AJ is given the title of Captain. Either way I see Konerko get spat on a lot and while I have no problem making changes I do think we should respect that he's been an above average player and a very good White Sox during his tenure.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 01:55 PM) Torres will probably be a future reliever, especially with his short stature. Sweeney could be a steal for TB if he develops and develops into that power but he's a while away. I'm just shocked that the Rays didn't get more actually. Kazmir might be a classic change of scenery guy. He is proven, and I love this deal for LAA. Kazmir, Weaver, Saunders is a pretty nice looking young set of 3 starters. Santana has been all over the place but has stuff (he's just really been hurt by injuries this year). Saunders hasn't been that great either, but he was hurt too. Angels have done incredibly well given how snake-bit they've been with injuries. Santana/Saunders/Lackey all missing extensive time, plus Vladdy and Torri. And than on top of that you have the Adenhart tragedy.