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That is a bogus rumor. The Rays traded Delmon Young for a reason and they aren't about to re-acquire him.

How do we know that the Braves wouldn't actually give up Hansen? I don't think we necessarily do, maybe they just wouldn't give up Hansen because of the other members involved in the deal.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) Just like Josh Rupe was the "wildcard" when we traded him...or Matt Guerrier was going to be "the next Maddux" according to McClendon and the Pirates' GM at the time. Yeah, they really ripped off KW and gave up that Marte kid, who they weren't even going to keep on the roster because of a numbers game in the bullpen. If Carlos Torres lights the world on fire with the Royals, it will be the first time a young White Sox starting prospect has amounted TO ANYTHING this decade, unless you want to count Brandon McCarthy. Daniel Cortes is a top 50 prospect in all of baseball and was given up for MacDougall.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 11:15 AM) Hence why I think Blanco could be an excellent long - term fit for us in CF, if we're still looking for a leadoff hitter. And Frank Wren's not afraid to deal younger players, we've certainly seen that over his time as GM. But Morton and Gorkys could certainly be attainable. Might be time to change your username also. Why would the Sox go from discussing a guy who was a top 10 prospect at a given point in time to talking about a guy like Morton who has a live arm but is pretty much a project. That would be an awful deal for the Sox. You want to make a deal with the braves and it starts with Shaffer or Hansen and potentially includes another guy or two.

These might be intentional leaks to ensure Kenny gets what he wants.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 01:30 PM) The Expos were great in the 90's and they do exist- just in another city with another name. Great, I don't think so. They had some talent but I wouldn't exactly say they were a great team.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 09:11 AM) Baseball - Pittsburgh Pirates. Ice Hockey - Florida Panthers Football - Detroit Lions Basketball - Minnesota Timberwolves Andrew, the Twolves had one of the greatest players to ever play the game for an extended period of time (Garnett). The Pirates actually have been a historically strong team, who collapsed in the 90's. The Lions haven't exactly dominated recently but for the most part the Cardinals would have them well topped. In the NBA you can't even consider anyone other than the Clippers.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 10:35 AM) I'd rather have Tommy Hanson than Bailey...but that's probably not happenin'..... I think its a definate possibility.

QUOTE (quickman @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) If this were the case why wouldn't that have been a packaged deal in the last trade? My guess is that at that point the Sox wanted to move Javy and that was there priority just like the braves initial priority was to get a pitcher that would give them innings. Now that both teams have done that the Sox are moving onto there next plan and the Braves are doing the same and that might involve a second deal.

THey'd be looking for pitching, but the Braves also have some outfield prospects or a guy like Francouer whose value is down (Kenny likes buying guys whose value is down) and they also have some pitching prospects. Gorky's Hernandez is still very young and the Braves have soured on him a bit as well. I'd like either of the above in addition to a front line pitching prospect for Dye. All that said...Shafer is the guy I'd be targetting. He's been comapred to Grady Sizemore and looks like a very solid major league centerfielder. They also have a lot of raw high ceiling arms in the system.

Lets put all Braves discussion for Dye in a seperate thread.

I'd have a lot of interest in Zack Grienke in a deal involving Dye. I doubt the Braves would do that, but they still have quite a few prospects that I would have interest in. I'd also have interest in a package built around Francouer and a top prospect. Yes, Francouer has struggled a bit this past season but tools wise he's off the charts. However, I still would prefer a prospect the caliber of Bailey.

I love Milton Bradley and would take him in a heartbeat, but I don't know if he'll stay healthy playing in the field for the majority of the year. Sounds like Krod has signed a 3yr 37M deal. He'll be disgustingly nasty in the NL.

Kevin and Bean

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 09:56 PM) The meetings have just started, but I think you are going to see some FA's fall through the cracks. The demand just doesn't seem to be warrant what some were expecting. Hopefully the Sox can capitalize on their position. The problem is as more FA's fall through the cracks the value of Dye falls. I do believe Dye is the last piece the Sox deal and than you'll see them add some free agents and potentially swing a trade or two where they buy a player. The only guy I can really see them jump after quickly is Furcal though and his value is pretty fair (albeit there is risk associated with his back). Still, a healthy Furcal would be a signifcant upgrade.

I think Kenny wants to get rid of as many vets as he can for a good value early on and than you'll see him target one guy that he really needs and than sit back and sign a vet or two at a discount rate.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 05:06 PM) Jas thats like having a Barbeque in Northern Canada right now. It just dont fit. Funny you speak of bbq's....I actually had one on Friday...made 15lb's of meat (TripTip and Chicken). Oh and I go on vacation starting next Friday and am on vacation till like the 11th of January so your welcome to come out anytime during that span. I'm going to be in Tahoe New Years Eve (your welcome to come and there will be plenty of girls there cause my girlfriend is bringing some of friends who are both cute and single). Just don't come on January 6th (wisdom teeth are getting pulled). Oh and I might be in Vegas on the 19th (again you can come if you want).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:24 PM) Frankly, the only 2 guys on the Dodgers roster I'd do Jenks for straight up are Kershaw and Billingsly. I'd do it for Kemp or Loney as well. Those guys are legit talents.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 03:13 PM) He's just flat out old. Dye for Bailey + minor leaguers was the deal in place. So this was the deal in place a couple weeks ago and is no longer in motion?

QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:49 AM) 51-60: * 51. Justin Smoak, 1B, Rangers * 52. Logan Morrison, OF/1B, Marlins * 53. Daniel Cortes, RHP, Royals * 54. Jordan Walden, RHP, Angels * 55. Ivan DeJesus, SS, Dodgers * 56. Aaron Poreda, LHP, White Sox * 57. Brett Cecil, LHP, Blue Jays * 58. J.P. Arencibia, C, Blue Jays * 59. Tim Alderson, RHP, Giants * 60. Aaron Hicks, OF, Twins http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...sp&c_id=mlb I think it's a really bad list. #53 was an individual the White Sox traded to the Royals in the Mike MacDougall trade. He has a really nice live arm with a good sinking fastball.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Dec 7, 2008 -> 09:12 PM) Gordon Beckham is definitely a top 50 prospect, or at least I know Baseball America will have him there. They missed the boat on Beckham, especially when you see how many of the top picks from this past season they included on the list. I'd say Poreda/Flowers/Viceido are all possibilities for the top 100 with Beckham clearly being a Top 50 prospect. Flowers/Viceido/Poreda all have the ability to climb into the top 50 in time though with Viceido having the potential to one day be a top 10 prospect.

Look at Bailey's minor league numbers. While throwing fewer Fastballs his numbers haven't been awful. Plus he's incredibly young for his league and it is typically a notorious hitters league. He isn't giving up a ton of hits and he's still getting a good number of strike-outs. If he still has velocity on his FB just that and his power curve alone is enough to make him a potential #3 and if all goes well he definately has the secondary pitches to be as good as an ace (assuming he still has his good hard FB which can top in at 95 MPH).

I really kind of want this trade to happen now. I'm really excited at the possibility of all these young arms panning out, plus I'd love to than see Kenny go out and sign an Abreu & Furcal or a Dunn & Furcal. Man would that be awesome. No idea how the team will pan out next year cause with Bailey you have no idea, the rotation might just go up in flames, but man would there be some fun young players on this squad and there I love watching young players develop and perform (hopefully they perform).

Easily one of my all time favorite baseball players and arguably the greatest "pitcher" of all time (and say that using the term "pitcher" in the sense that he flat out knew how to pitch and perfected the art of pitching).

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 5, 2008 -> 12:27 PM) I loved when ESPN classic showed the Roger Clemens 20k game. Hopefully Comcast gets this channel in HD ASAP. I love NBATV, but Comcast still doesn't support it in HD. MojoHd used to always pickup the NBA HD games but Mojo dissapeared from my guide a while back and my cable outlet has yet to add in NBAHD, which sucks.