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Abreu to the Sox makes a lot of sense but I'm guessing the Sox want that to stay as quiet as possible because you don't want other teams to know we are more forced to deal Dye (not that we are truly forced). I would be so thrilled if we could get an A prospect for Dye and than replace Dye with Abreu.

Except Joyce isn't exactly highly touted nor has he ever shown anything too special at the minor league level.

This is a stellar deal for the Tigers. Highway robbery as far as I'm concerned. Joyce has no value in comparison to Jackson.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 06:48 PM) If that's all it cost to get Jackson, then I'm upset we didn't go after him. He'd have been the perfect 4th starter too and would have easily allowed the Sox to move Dye for a young starter like Bailey and not have to worry about spending any money on the rotation or pen (cause whomever missed out on the rotation could slide to the pen). This would have let the Sox use some cash to fill there remaining positional holes.

Wow thats a hell of a deal for the Tigers. Joyce can't be considered to be on par with Jackson. Joyce has some nice tools but has never put up amazing numbers at the big league level. In fact, I wouldn't consider him being that much different of a prospect than Brian Anderson. His career OPS is .804 at the minor league level and only once did he hit even .270. This is one I just don't get, not at all. A steal of a deal considering that Jackson is at the very least a league average starter and at his best (since he does have a great arm) could turn into a viable #2.

If Bedard was non-tendered, someone would have to be willing to give him a decent contract and take a chance. The guy was dominant two years ago.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 06:38 PM) He pitched where, AA last year? I dunno, I could see them go either way with him/Russell. There's certainly benefits for a reliever pitching at AAA in a hitter's park, not to mention the arbitration delay. Russel failed to ever really dominate at the major league level last year. I kind of think they'll use him more as one of those guys that is in the minors and comes up when someone goes down (at least for the next year). I think he'll eventually stick in the pen but probably not with the Sox (it'll be when he goes to another team which is out of contention and he's allowed to work his way through the majors for a year or two). Am I the only one who isn't overly excited about Carrasco. He was stellar for us given the situation last year but his stuff isn't that good. I like him a lot as a depth guy we have in the minors but not as a reliever on a playoff team. Bottom line I'm comfortable with Jenks/Dotel/Linebrink/Thornton (when all are healthy) and I have faith in Richard because he flashed quite a bit at the major league level. Poreda has a freaking stud arm so I don't opposed him and than there is Link who the Sox seem to really rave about. Personally speaking, I wouldn't be opposed at all to the Sox picking up a reliever.

I'd be curious to see it because I think there could be at least a few attractive names that make that list. Chad Gaudin is a possibility. He isn't great but wouldn't be a bad 5th starter, imo.

QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 06:34 PM) I love him as a person, as everyone who was around him at GT thought the world of him. I just don't think he's worth close to the amount he's going to receive. I'd much rather go out and get Manny for 2 years.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 06:32 PM) They may also be willing to give Link a shot if he has a solid ST, since they're already talking about him replacing Jenks. I'd go as far as say Link just has to show good big league stuff at spring training and he'll have a spot.

This is going to be a deal teams regret and I love Burnett most than probably anyone on this site (cause he has ridiculous stuff). I assume if the Yanks are still going after Burnett that it means the initial rumors were false and that they haven't in fact inked Lowe.

Apparently the Angels offer might be as high as 9 years @ 22.5M (with various options but is at least 7 years guaranteed). In addition, the Angels are mulling over making a 2 year offer to Manny (apparently no team, aside from the Dodgers initial offer, have gone over 1 year for Manny). Tex also has what is believed to be a 9yr 180M deal on the table from the O's and according to Boras all teams that Tex is interested in have made offers at this point and that its possible Tex will sign shortly.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 06:22 PM) Unless we plan on giving the Mets Jenks to go with Putz and K-Rod. We don't really have a place for the guy here. Last I looked we couldn't get outs from the pen for an extended period. I believe the club actually has a current hole in the pen. Logan is gone and I would expect one of Richard/Poreda to replace him (with the other potentially being in the rotation). You than have Linebrink coming back from injury and Dotel but I think there is still a potential opening for another reliever (especially if Ozzie goes back to carrying an extra reliever and I'd anticipate such considering how young the rotation will be).

This is a guy who is a bit of smoke and mirrors but he has been very effective when healthy. The only issue is that if he isn't willing to take a one year incentive laden deal from the Dodgers than who would he be willing to take one from. Obviously there are health risks associated with him but it would be a nice depth pick-up for the Sox.

Listening to the news and the Angels apparently offered an 8yr 160M deal for Tex.

Wow Rosenthal is reporting the following: Guitirez is a lot to give up for Heilman, although he should have some value for the Tribe. Still Franklin is a very toolsy guy who still has upside despite this past seasons trouble. Endy Chavez really isn't much of a catch though for the Mariners and while Carp is a decent prospect, I don't see the point considering they are stuck with Jeff Clement (#3 overall pick a couple years back) who is pretty much a first baseman at this point.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 05:58 PM) Mets are close to acquiring JJ Putz in a 3 way deal with the Indians as the 3rd team. What? Krod and Putz? One of them is gonna be pissed.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 02:45 PM) LOL. I remember when Cub fans instantly calling Pawelek one of their top prospects right after they gave him a bunch of money. He was highly highly touted in the draft and most experts agreed that the Cubs had done a great job getting him (there were signability issues surrounding Pawelek). The kid happened to put a lot of stress on his arm though. The bottom line is the Cubs did the right thing, they went after a guy that had the tools to succeed if all went well. The Sox didn't do that with McCulloch and you could make a case that there were some other guys they could have gotten instead of Broadway, however, I would argue that Broadway will have a better career than a number of other first round picks. Broadway didn't have the tools to be an ace, but he had a pretty good arsenal of pitches and could turn into (still to this date) into a #2/#3 starter and I'd be shocked if he wasn't at least a viable #5 starter (at least for some teams).

I'm liking Lickliter. His system is a bit boring but he's a very good coach and Iowa is playing some solid basketball.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Dec 10, 2008 -> 12:54 PM) Ah, the famous pick that turned Keith Law against every front office in the MLB. ? I was stunned when Romero went 6th. I went to Fullerton and watched numerous games and loved Ricky to death as a college pitcher but really had no idea how or why anyone would have projected him as a top 10 pick. I figured he was more of a late 1st to supplmental round pick. He really only had one plus pitch (a nasty breaking ball). But he had a very slight build and didn't have the greatest zip on his fastball. In fact, I'd compare him a lot to JP Howell.

Dang...I didn't expect to see them make two moves this quickly. Now you wonder if this throws that whole economy argument out of whack.

Wow....New York had a ton of money to throw around and they landed the big fish.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 01:16 PM) Hahn could be discussing trades. Doesn't Hahn do the majority of negotiations? So wouldn't he be the one talking with the agents for the most part regarding FA's? Or at least that was always my understanding based upon things I've been told.

QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 12:59 PM) Wren came out and said this a few weeks back; Of course that's before he traded Flowers, but Brian McCann was blocking him of course. I was going to say, he's already traded Flowers. He clearly is making a statement but we don't know who he truly feels are his top prospects. Kenny has always said he doesn't trade guys on his 3 year organizational board but he's often traded top prospects and only once or twice has he indicated that the guys he dealt were on that board. And if they aren't going to trade top prospects, don't freaking trade him. Dye has an affordable contract is great in the clubhouse and has been one of the top performing outfielders during his tenure with the White Sox. We are dealing from a position of strength and there is no reason to move him (this is the opposite of the Swisher/Vazquez deals). Although you could make the case that we didn't have to deal Vazquez but after the comments Ozzie made we had to.