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QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 09:04 AM) I can't explain in detail because I didn't hear the whole thing and I was on my way out the door this morning when I heard it but it has to do with a deal that the UAW recently made with GM, and something to do with retirement healthcare costs that are going to change (I don't remember how) which is currently why the number is so high. I know that they were working toward some of that. Have you ever heard of Medicare Part D? That's a boondoggle too, and I could see the Big 3 making a boatload off of that...

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 08:55 AM) I saw today that that $72/hour figure or whatever it was is actually going to come down to about $44/hour in 2010 which is on par with the foreign companies in the US, but that GM needs a bridge to get there or the whole thing will collapse. Why? Did you pick that up (the reason why) as well?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 19, 2008 -> 08:31 AM) The remaking of Washington has begun... with a Clinton holdover who was instrumental in pardoning Mark Rich. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081119/ap_on_...TPFFifL8BBh24cA CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE!

I'm thinking this is a pretty pointless thread now, but to each his/her own, I guess.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 03:43 PM) His voice fits his music. I'd keep him on the list before some of the others on there. Now that I agree with... like I said, a man sitting on the toilet, straining, while taking a s***... all the while a studio mike is hanging above his toilet stall... BOOOOOOOORN IN THE USAAAA I was BORRRRRRRRRN IN THE USAAAAAA (ahhhhhhhh)...

Bruce Springsteen even making the list is a joke. The man sounds like he's constantly straining while taking a s*** and singing at the same time for almost every song he sings.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 02:51 PM) do you know the difference between transitional team and cabinet? Yes, but he's got all the retreads working for him. That tells you all about the change.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) The highlighted could be accurate to a degree, and I see what you are saying with the other reasons, but I don't buy any of the first three reasons overall. Especially reason number 2, because if the obscenely biased media coverage had been even a small factor anywhere in this race, McCain would be president. Huh?

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 02:28 PM) this is purely about not wanting to appear partisan and backstabby to a well known democratic senator after that senator was very backstabby. The man doesn't deserve that chairmanship, he did nothing with it. He should be put in the stocks for his lack of oversight on Bush. No it's not. I'll just leave it at that.

This is PURELY about 60 caucusing Dems, vs. 59 caucusing Dems. Period. They smell blood in the water with the last three races up in the air. Otherwise, they would have dumped his ass real quicklike.

QUOTE (shipps @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 12:52 PM) I just wanna have a ship where we do alot of drinking and alot of searching for treasures that dont exist along with paranoia of mystic monsters. Aaahhhhh what a life that would be minus the scurvy. You'd be digging for treasure, not searching for it.

CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE... what are we up to, 80% old Clinton retreads now on his 50 or so appointments?

To add a log to the campfire, our VP of finance was in Switzerland the night of the election, and anecdotally, I think many people around the world think those who voted for McCain are super rich, or redneck (read: racist). That was basically the conversation around the table that night, from what one of my managers said she said.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) I find it hard not to get worked up over actually even though I know it doesn't even apply to me (I know I'm kind of jumping on Tex for doing that a bit). You know how I interpret it, and why I get all pissed off, to be honest? It sounds like "blacks don't know anything about politics, they just voted for him because he's black." I know there are some dumbasses who did that, and that's whatever, but virtually all of the "he's black" stuff comes from pride in actually seeing a black man get elected - I honestly can't think of a single black person I know that voted for him based on skin color, especially considering if the 2008 Democratic nominee was another white man, they'd have voted for him just the same, percentage-wise. Percentage wise, you're absolutely right, which is why I wanted to know the pure numbers as well.

Effective when?

QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 12:38 PM) Who says that even remotely applies to you? It applies to a certain percentage of the country (and anybody who pretends otherwise is just lying to themselves and everyone else), but why assume people are including you in that group when they're not? I actually get just as pissed off whenever people say things like "most black people voted for Obama because he's black." Uh, no, most black people voted for him because he was a Democrat, a few voted for him because he's black. I heard on the news story after story after story about people who haven't voted for 20, 30, 40 years only to vote in this election for solely one purpose. Because Mr. Obama was black. It's a small sample size, and quite honestly, I don't really care that they did, because at least they were in the process. Having said that, it's a damn good question. What did Kerry pull both in pure number of votes, and as a percentage? Both numbers mean something this time around. It's an interesting question, but it's sure as hell isn't one to get worked up over. The facts are, Obama's the president. I think a VERY small part of it is due to race, but 97% is because of the political climate we're in. It's just a question.

QUOTE (The Critic @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 11:01 AM) I think it's all relative. If the US had 43 consecutive black presidents, I tend to believe that many white people would vote for a white candidate, believing he or she may have their interests closer to the front burner. Is that a racist thought pattern? I don't know. Doesn't automatically seem that way to me. I think this was the first time that "one of their own" could be voted in, views of "that one" (hehe, yes, joking) be damned. I don't think it's a bad thing, just reality.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 18, 2008 -> 10:47 AM) Honestly, I don't think much of it. Without an exit poll that asks "are you afraid of a black president" or "did you vote for McCain because he's white" there are just too many other factors that people consider when voting (and even then I doubt you could get an accurate statistic because people would lie). Here's a question I have (and i'm not trying to be racist here). Why is it that a white person can't say "ya know, as a white guy, I thought McCain would be better for me so I votedfor him" without being a racist, but 97% of the black population voted for Obama, a large % of which voted that way simply because he was black, and it's not? I don't see a problem with blacks voting for Obama, I just think it's odd that on the one hand you can vote because of race and it's ok, but on the other it's not. Thank you. Because that's what we just witnessed, no distrespect meant to anyone when I say this.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 05:55 PM) He can't do jail time, this is a civil case I think. Also, I thought I saw somewhere the complaint was already dropped? I don't think so. At least not yet.

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 01:41 PM) Attacking someone and attacking their words is not the same. I think many of the things you said were disgusting, but I don't think you are disgusting. I'm flattered. I think a lot of times I just get in a hurry, because I don't mean for it to be mean spirited. Sarcastic? Yep. Mean? Nope.

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 12:40 PM) You've had a bit more than an opinion towards those you were "disgusted" with as they were "laughing and saying see" at her and you know it. I wasn't around this forum back then but if I was I would have surely said something. And for the record I thought that your RSO and a lot of the comments towards those that supported him were disgusting but that was their fight so I stayed out of it. How things are said is important, IMO. Sure I'm disgusted by it. I do think it's disgusting. Just like it's your opinion it's disgusting that I said what I did about Obama. Guess what? At the end, it's all the same.

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 11:18 AM) No. You are crystal on that point. Your disgust with those here has been vocal and clear. And since you choose to take the high road why don't you leave those that choose to take a different one alone as it's their right to have such opinion. That's all I am saying. As for the issue, you've been around a long time and this isn't the first time this type of behavior has taken place. Perhaps because she doesn't have a penis it's more out there, but this happens every day. What I find ridiculous is the "save Sarah from the rabid dogs" crusade. Sarah laid with the dogs of her own free will. And now the dogs are biting her. It's politics and she seems to be rising above it just fine. And I voiced my opinion that said opinion is in my opinion ridiculous. It's the same stuff that was posted for months about Obama and all we read is how ridiculous it all was. Where were you then for the respect speech? That's actually why I started the whole "RSO (Rock Star Obama)" thing, because he was/is untouchable, but I digress. By the way, I could care less that she's a she. Call it the Dan Quayle syndrome. It's the same damn thing, I b****ed about that 20 years ago, and I'm b****ing about this now, because I hate it when they destroy people over NOTHING. I don't care if she makes an idiot of herself and then gets thrown to the wolves on real issues, she has it coming then. I think what's even more funny is, we're saying the same thing and getting all hung up on the details of how it's being said. I'll cry uncle now.

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 17, 2008 -> 09:12 AM) So what's your point? She drove the car with everyone in the carpool lane to her "I may be smart but most of the time I act and speak like a total moron and sound like one, too" party and you are angry at folks for finding some humor in that? If she was to be tore down you wanted it to be because of things related to the issues, which is what happened so who cares what the Bevis and Butthead (no offense lostfan) crowd thinks. At the very least I think it would be a good idea to stop backhandedly insulting posters here who had a strong feeling against her. JMO. Oh bloody hell. I have "strong feelings against her" as you put it. My post had nothing to do with "insulting" anyone. So what the hell is that remark for? Back to the issue, my only point continues to be this is the kind of stuff that's ridiculous on so many levels (she said Africa's a COUNTRY LOLERZ !@#$@#$^) when it's an outright lie specifically meant to smear her. How many times do I have to say I don't even like Sarah Palin, not at all, I think she's a terrible national politician (she may be fine for Alaska, and that's their choice), but it's asinine to have people in the media attack her like a rabid dog on things that are outright lies specifically meant to make her even more stupid then she already appears to be. I have no issue whatsoever that she gets ridiculed on her ignorance of real issues, not some fabricated made up bulls*** just to make a hit piece up on her. Can I make that any more plain?

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 16, 2008 -> 10:16 PM) She got mowed down on every issue she opened her mouth about. This BS was simply icing on the cake. And one is very different then the other.

QUOTE (Steff @ Nov 15, 2008 -> 08:50 PM) "Giddy" is not the same as embarrassed. Which is what Dems, and this Repub, here felt and posted about. I don't recall one person "laughing" about it. And I don't think anyone was happy to see her "fail". Time and time again Dems brought up how she was thrown to the wolves and set up to take the fall in the event of a loss. There's a lot of people that want to see her fail. I do as well, but not like this. She needs to get mowed down on the issues, not superficial bulls*** like this.