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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 11:38 PM) No, more like the President saying "We do not torture." :rolly And yes, that's appropriate here. How long are you going to kick the s*** out of that horse?

QUOTE(Wong & Owens @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 09:56 PM) I wasn't referring so much to the actual translation of the bible from the original hebrew and greek scripts, but rather the subjective "picking and choosing" of what books/letters/gospels et al get to be part of the bible, and which do not. But even in the case of the actual literary translations, there are many instances where scholars disagree on what exactly is being said. Different religions choose which translation works best for them, and then that particular version is the "correct" one. But back to my point, the romans bickered for years over which books were "god's word," and which ones weren't. People were murdered over their opinions on the topic, and the bible changed numerous times by addition and subtraction over hundreds of years. Even today, religions differ based on which parts of the bible they choose to believe or not. The canonization of the bible certainly has its issues. But - I think the gosphels are pretty much where your money should lie as at least your foundation. The letters that Paul wrote to the churches to clarify certain things... are just that... letters. The gosphels, while stories about Jesus, also have much DIRECT text from Jesus himself, and that is how we should live our lives. I also think that Hebrews, while the author is "unknown" (but most likely Paul), puts the facts together very well of the transition between the old testament and the new.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 09:47 PM) Tony can't read the Bible the way you can. He doesn't believe that God wrote it or influenced it. He believes that only mere men thought of it and wrote it down on paper. How do you learn or know God's grace if you can't believe in the Bible? Different conversation for a different time... The reality is man DID write the Bible. Let's just stick with that fact. Baby steps... you don't just slam the book in front of someone without trying to educate the background of it. That's why people don't care, because (as an example) you're trying to cram a belief down someone's throat. Stick to your own house right now, cheif. Things will look a lot better if you do.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 09:44 PM) Then you don't agree that it was written by God through the Holy Spirit? If this is not the case then there is no wonder you don't care what the Bible has to say. If you don't believe that then you can't believe in the Bible. Dude, he never said that. Don't be so defensive. You've got to open your mind a little - I know you're tense... seek the truth through the Bible... and don't let other things influence you right now. That goes for both of you. You both need to be stronger then that and not so defensive.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 09:36 PM) If you think that the Bible was written by man then you are not a Christian. The Bible was written by God through the Holy Spirit. The men wrote as they were moved by the Holy Spirit (2 Pet. 1:21). They wrote not in words of human wisdom but in words taught by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 2:13). You can take everything in the Bible literally if you wish. Some will take the story of Noah as literal and others will take it as a story. That is entirely up to you. If you want to believe in a story of a talking snake as literal that is entirely up to you as well. SSI, I don't think that was Tony's point. The point was more "story" vs. "literal".

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 09:36 PM) I think the whole structure of religion is my turn-off. When I hear about groups like the Scientologists or JW, I wonder how anyone can buy into that crap and want to be part of it. I'm with you 100% of the way there. Religion messes up so many things. If you just can believe in God's grace, again, everything else is just gravy.

Sorry... didn't mean to turn this into that type of thread, but at the same time, I feel it's important to SSI's dilemma.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 09:28 PM) You know what...I don't know what to believe. I hope there is a God and there is an afterlife, but I find it hard to believe. I think after you die, its all over. Hopefully I am wrong and haven't led a life that would leave me on the outs. And a lot of the bible is stories meant to teach a lesson. Anyone who tells me Noah built a big boat and outlasted a 40 day flooding is off their rocker. My basic stance is, God has shown grace. He gave us that through Jesus. Period. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING else matters, if you believe that much. Catholic, Protestant, Methodist, whatever, NONE of that matters, and you can't let some idiot PERSON tell you anything else. We all get warped by these so-called religions.

If you don't beleive in Jesus or God, that's your premise. I'm not one to judge. But, for those who are Christians, denominations and the like is not your answer - and most of the time people think it is. The direct quotes from Jesus/God (the same thing) is where the answers are, not the legalism of a church (denomination).

Yes, indeed...

Well, I'll try to jump in here. *ANY* man-made religion that says they have it all figured out is 100% wrong. If you have difficulty with their beliefs, ask your wife, and only your wife, to set aside some time to study the bible. Tell her you want to understand BIBLICALLY what JW's have to offer. If she/the study strays from the Bible, then you have problems because it's not biblically based. The real problem with religions is that they all have their denominations and legalism all tied into what Jesus is supposed to be about, and therefore, they plain don't get it. I'm not going to start quoting scripture here, but there are very specific scriptures that refute the 144,000 only will be saved for heaven. Now people can start telling me about what it says may be different to me then another... but READ IT and don't assume what it says because someone else told you to think of it that way. You two need to read the Bible, study it, learn from one another so you can truly understand what it means to be closer to God. A "church" (meaning human congregation) will only get you so far. You two need to try to grow with one another in that respect. As you study, ask questions, discuss your understandings and learn from one another, doors will open. I hope this makes sense. But you both have to be willing and patient to accept that your views may be different - but remember, it's not about what someone says, it's about what the BIBLE says, because 99.9% of the time, people get it wrong.

Now, in about 3 or 4 days, expect Hillary to say "we need to stay the course"... it's all orchestrated to see where people stand.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 06:18 PM) Did you get the canned phone call from the Chaney people? They (DeLay) needs money to fight the desperate Dems. LOL. The fact that we have two opposing forces that do battle is a whole lot better than a one party system. I can't think of too many Monarchy and single power source countries that do very well for very long. Usually the world community (US) has to come in a kick some ass and fix that situation. I did see the Cheney bit. It's unreal. And I'm really getting to the point where I'd rather see a parliamentary system. As it exists now, no one has a chance... except for Hillary. Even the Republicans have pretty much bowed down to her.

Cerb - hang in there.

Perhaps, if the Democratic Party would stop with the sound bytes and stupid emails of how bad the Republicans suck, and actually come up with practical solutions, they wouldn't have to b**** about the Republicans being in power. What a concept, eh? I hate our government.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 06:05 PM) Summation of argument. Either way I think we are a few years from this solution as of right now. Awwwww, NUTS.

Is it lunch time yet? I think it's time to step away from the keyboard.

i thought this was more the total season in review and not emphasizing the playoff run as much?

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 6, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) My step daughter just went into labor.. Yippie.. I'm gonna be a grama today. Granny Steff?

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 5, 2005 -> 10:36 PM) "Excuse Me Steff... you are 2GB over your alloted network space.. please delete files you don't need... " "Pardon me IT jag... if I didn't need the damn files they wouldn't be there... Talk to my boss if you don't like the space my job takes up" ...Sigh... I get that all the time. Fortunately, all I have to do is say the building name I work at, and mysteriously, I don't get bothered anymore.

I do on traffic stations and that sort of thing, but very rarely about other stations, unless say I'm listening to rock and they advertise or say "Bruce Springsteen on channel 10"... That's about it.

Both of them have "dj's"... they are NOT talk free, but they ARE commercial free - for now.

Good question. When we find out whether the product flies or not? It's an interesting idea... and a little different then the "chip". Instead of being on soxtalk, you could be looking at "where's Fido" online.

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