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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 15, 2010 -> 10:23 PM) I wasnt worried at all, just curious why it was implemented, thats all. It's been here as long as invision has been the software. It's just an easy way to track issues if that's necessary. And to tell Flaxx he's been warned.

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Jul 15, 2010 -> 08:35 PM) Beavis and Butthead is coming back with new episodes in case you didn't know! Really?

Oh damn, I don't think Flaxx is going to get the joke I just played on him...

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jul 15, 2010 -> 09:47 PM) which is the exact opposite of Macro Economics 101. Keynsian economics doesn't work, but I'm glad that you think it does.

You are still missing the point. The GOVERNMENT is not the ones who should be telling us what to eat. This is preposterous. You don't even realize the freedoms of making those decisions. Right or wrong, it's NOT THE PLACE OF THE GOVERNMENT to tell us what to eat and what not to. Yet, you condone this from our government. Oil subsidies, bmags? Get rid of them. Bring it on. But while you're at it, if you buy a contract, you have to own the oil and take physical possesion of it. (goodbye speculators and other bulls*** market manipulations)

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 15, 2010 -> 11:55 AM) Since Kap's not around, I can reply to this one...the government already has the ability to levee something on the order of an instant $10-$20 billion bill on BP for the royalties/taxes from the oil extracted from the ground and the $4300/barrel fine for dumping it into the water. If BP went hard to court on avoiding paying out settlements to the lives of those people on the Gulf, or went to court against the Obama admin for blackmail, there's nothing stopping the government from issuing those fines right now and telling BP to start challenging them too. The government wins and BP is pretty close to belly up. On top of that, the government has every right to be vindictive and decide to stop issuing future contracts for drilling in the Gulf to BP, and since they're so heavily invested there, that's about the same result. It's only "Blackmail" if you can threaten the company you're blackmailing with something worse. By doing that, Obama doesn't get his props and face time in the media for being the hero of making them "evil motherf***ers" pay. Come on. This is all about spin and not the reality of what happened behind those doors to coerce BP into setting up that "fund" and stopping the divident payments. Oh, I'm "defending" BP again, even though I'm not.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2010 -> 07:50 PM) Actually the biggest problem I have with that chart is of the usage of GDP, as it includes government spending. What that means is you really have no idea what is going on in the private sector due to tax changes. The explosive growth of spending during down times over the last few downturns has manipulated those deltas in GDP viciously. Now instead of the usual downfalls, there are huge spikes in government spending that manipulate the numbers on that chart. In other words there is nothing that can be read from that graph that matters in reality. Exactly. You can mask a lot of s*** by including everything. It's okay, though, we know that without government intervention, we would all die 50 years earlier.

Lowering taxes RAISED (and always does...) the amount of money coming into treasury. Deficits, however, is because every dollar that was brought in left in about 1992. It's just too damn hard for people to accept the fact that cutting entitlements and putting that money back into the private sector would actually bring us back around. Why is that so bad? Oh, capitalism is EVIIIIIL. I forgot about that. Take all of it and redistribute it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) For example, i'd like to see your reaction if we didn't subsidize dirty energies. Where's the line? Where do you stop "subsidizing" things? For the record, don't ...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 08:38 PM) I'm just pointing out that you can't blame this one on either the left or the right. This is has to do with our government getting into bed with the food industry and causing a huge mess that they are now refusing to admit they were entirely wrong about in the first place. And you guys can say that we can just choose not to eat fast foods and everything will be wonderful. But the fact is that the very vast majority of our food supply is a bunch of processed artificial crap that is making us all chronically ill in the long run. Can't disagree with the last point. It's a boondoggle...

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 08:12 PM) The ironic part of this is that it was Nixon was the one who set this whole mess in motion with his programs to subsidize crops in an effort to lower food prices. So? I'm not a party idealouge, unlike some. At what point does the government intervention stop? Oh, I know... when everyone has equal pay, equal housing, equal health care, equal cars, equal number of gallons of water in the toilet boil, equal CFC lights in their houses, equal food, equal drinking water, equal retirement, equal rights (oh, wait a minute... our government doesn't give a s*** about that unless it benefits them...)

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 01:44 PM) Reinstating an estate tax would be a great way to help close a deficit gap with minimum pain for the general population in a difficult economy. IIRC, when reinstated it will only apply to inherited estates in excess of 2 million dollars (and I think a house is exempted from that to begin with.) If people want to be serious about balancing budgets, no matter what we do - we have to raise taxes. Yea, and Barackus the Great knows it. He's getting ready to shred everything in his wake... you know, "those who are serious can't tell me no" when he goes to crank taxes sky high. Fiscally responsible, he is... my ass. AmeriKKKa... getting ready to tax ourselves to prosperity... 'cause it's always worked...

Gee, I have an idea... STOP SPENDING. Wait, we can't get more people on entitlements and redistribute wealth out of the private sector if we do that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 02:12 PM) Really, it boggles my mind that you think humans are capable of the effort you're requiring of them, and that you think people who don't do what you're demanding of them are lazy. Really, it boggles my mind that you think the government should force people to be capable of any effort by giving these same people who exert no effort whatsoever to become anything more then some schmuck with their hand held out. There's a difference between assistance and a nanny welfare state, and the nanny welfare state is obviously what you believe in, and it's disgusting.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 14, 2010 -> 08:10 AM) Kap just wants all of the victims of this who lose their jobs and their health to wind up on government assistance for 5-10 years while the courts sort things out, where they belong. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. That's it. And blackmail works when you have cash and threaten to take every dime of it away in another manner. I shouldn't be shocked that neither of you understand the real issues here, because you know, our country sucks and should just be ObamaLand ™.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 07:51 AM) There we go, now we're getting Kap on board defending fast food, fewer vegetables, more salt, and greater intake of HFCS as the path to health in this country, since Michelle Obama has the audacity to suggest otherwise. When will you get the point that it's not the government's f***ing place to tell us this kind of crap? While not a government official, Michelle My Belle is hypocritical as hell. Do I think it's a good idea? Sure. But AGAIN it's not the government's place to do this.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 13, 2010 -> 11:25 AM) Could someone in a nutshell explain to me, besides that it's a Dem® President doing it, that forcing BP to put $$$$$$ up to pay for damages is a bad thing? Because the executive branch doesn't have that kind of authority. Also, as imperfect as it is, for 220 years, the judicial system is the way that claims of this nature are handled. Whine about Exxon Valdez all you want, but that's a hell of a lot better then a dictate from one man telling blackmailing a company.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jul 12, 2010 -> 07:49 PM) BP just capped the oil well? Yea, and they said that they think that this will allow them to capture ALL of the oil until the relief well hits.

If that's a growth sector, it'll be next on Obama's list to "take care of".

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 11, 2010 -> 03:50 PM) I didnt say commies or any of that, just sometimes it seems when too people are disagreeing on a topic admins can be a little fast on the draw, I dont ever recall it from you 2 anyways. It's all good. I'm only saying that the main times we as a group try to step in is when it's either blatent or there's an overall degredation of posting.

I've admin'd forums for about 15 years now, you know, since Algore invented message boards ( ) and this place lets you do a lot of stuff that most places don't. It always is a good chuckle when I see that we are commies that want to kick the "free speech" thing down.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 10, 2010 -> 07:58 PM) We're agreeing too much today. This is unsettling. I'm really not that much of a prick.

QUOTE (NIUSox @ Jul 10, 2010 -> 07:42 PM) I have to agree with StrangeSox on Ken Miller. He is a great scientist and writer. Both of his books are great reads on this subject,"Only a Theory" and "Finding Darwin's God." In fact, I think it was Strange that recommended him to me when I took my "Evolution and Creationism" class out at NIU. So you took that and think (or to say, believe in) more on the side of evolution? I bet that was an interesting class.

Strange, there's an echo in here.

You could ask that question of the whole team. I think most of us thought they were capable of being 10 games above .500 at the ASG - but I don't think anyone would have pictured the way that it has happened.