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Leury, Joe Kelly, Graveman (all 3 probably above 10%). Perhaps even Hendriks.

I remember a people saying/posting that the Sox, to compensate for being such a clown organization, needed to offer at least 10% above the market to get FAs. And, frankly, that's basically what the Sox did for most of the the FAs that they signed.

Personnel decisions were the weakest aspect of Ozzie: he wanted a team full of hackers. Erstad ("like a .400 hitter"), Wise (and as leadoff hitter); and as someone reminded us yesterday, he had Jerry Owens for CF, with Quentin in the minors. He also had no patience with young players.

And not "wasting" at bats by walking (not that that was much of an issue last season).

I've seen nothing tangible to back that up. I look for tangible evidence over the last 10 years that Hahn wants a modern baseball front office; surely he could have built a nifty analytics department, surrounded himself with some outside baseball minds, and the like. He hasn't. The only and the only bit that I can see, and it's not a lot, is hiring Katz. But heck, he hasn't even fired Frank M. yet.

Or maybe he did and Ozzie's who they come up with. The evidence that Hahn is some outside-of-the box, modern analytics thinker is scant at best.

Who do you think it is?

You can't get a more Hahnish committee than one composed of his hand-picked top Front-office lieutenants Getz and Haber A committee composed of only Hahn and 2 lieutenants is as insular as it could be And then Hahn, the guy that the bloggers insist is a new-age thinker being held down by KW and JR, has apparently interviewed Guillen.

What are they waiting on? Sox (and most teams) hire the coaches separately from the manager. Don't need to hire a manager before dispatching this Frank M. Unless....

Is this the Phillies' hitting coach? Well maybe he can give Frank some tips on how to coach hitting.

Getz is Hahn's guy, so my first thought that is that moving him to manager would at least put to rest the idea that Hahn has no power. But the next move would likely be to put W Jr. in charge of the farm, which will wash that down the drain, and will resurrect the bloggers' theme that the "hand of KW controls all." And DA could certainly be right that Hahn, not one to hire "premium talent" for FO positions, might do this because he sees Getz as a threat.

Yes, you (and others) are certainly right about that. I don’t know what I was looking at. He belongs in that “premium talent” category.

Looking at the Phillies further reveals how stupid Hahn is with his budget. The Phillies use minimum salary players at C, SS, CF, 3B, none of whom produced particularly well. They didn't spend much on the pen. But they spent their money on 2 good hitters (Schwarber and Castellanos), on "premium talent" in Wheeler and esp. Bryce Harper. The Sox signed no "premium talent", and poured money into the bullpen, 2B, UI and C. Most of those players figured to be nothing but hole-fillers anyway; the only compelling signees were Lynn, Grandal and Hendriks. Sox had a stronger base to start than the Phillies, and should be able to do what they did while spending less.

It wouldn't surprise me if they make moves for salary reduction. Something like Hendriks or Lynn for a C prospect; not pick up Giolito's option. That sort of thing. I don't think they'll move the overpaid and hopeless, as that will require attaching an A prospect to the stiff, and receiving a C in return. RH gets riled up and mad from reading twitter, so I doubt he's interested in those comments live and in person.

Exactly what it sounds like.

Can't they at least dispatch Frank M.?

In his press conference, he said he had a long meeting with JR and KW discussing the parameters/characteristics they wanted in the new manager. The "I was overruled" excuse has expired, just like his "who could have known?", "the decline was unprecedented" et al have long expired.

If they want an ex Sox player, they should hire they guy who is actually working in the biz and working toward being a manager right now: Willie Harris.

And the absolute laziness of the org. is underappreciated.

Getz and Thome? Oh FFS

Not sure, but I'm confident that there are plenty of Yonder Alonsos available in trade.

And traded for each other.

I would just suggest that if the Sox pick up the option with the intent to trade him that they not announce to the world this time that they want to trade him. I realize that Giolito, in contrast to KImbrel, is actually worth the option; but announcing the intent to trade immediately reduces the trade value. Picking up Kimbrel's option was bad enough, but the public pronouncement, plus signing relievers before trading him, made the situation far worse.

That would be Hahn managing Jerry's budget: sell low on 2 young players to bring back a slightly above average older veteran. I also wonder where the "elsewhere" is that "good pitching" resides.

Not I. I'll take the Guardians front office with the Sox budget. I'd love to have Preller's skills in identifying, evaluating and developing young talent; but as for his trading...dare I suggest that it is kind of Hahnish.