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QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 02:19 PM) Did his arm fall off? Did he have TJ? He's not a 40 year old, you don't "lose" 1st round stuff as a 23 year old with no injuries. He probably still has first round stuff. But his delivery was such that he couldn't repeat it pitch after pitch. Has that been fixed?

I think the Sox are sitting pretty well from a position player standpoint, esp. if Jiminez and Moncada can bash. They have a few players to filter through who actually have some value. May have to dress some of them up and move them in December. CF still an issue; maybe they should decide which of May or Engel has the talent to be a ML player, and put him Charlotte for a year to develop the bat.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 04:22 AM) Like, seriously, there is no way the Sox could ever make you happy. The fact that they traded Gonzalez for anything made me happy. Like I said, I didn't expect much, and they didn't get much. This particular player has already been a pro for 4 seasons, hasn't hit at all, and will be Rule 5 eligible next year (as I read the rule), so he isn't my cup of tea among the "lottery ticket" types. Re Gonzalez, despite an average career, he pitched great the last month, so yes I hoped for something a little better. Didn't expect it, but hoped.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 1, 2017 -> 07:58 AM) Next season is going to be interesting. With Detroit in full tank, and KC going to be bad, and right around .500 keeps your playoff hopes alive, a few breakouts, who knows. The Sox schedule will feature too many games against horrid teams next year to assume a top of the draft pick anymore. On the other side, the Twins look like a playoff team, and they have a very good farm system. And the Indians will be good for a few more years....looks like they got better once Shapiro left town. Et tu, Blue Jays.

Statistically, he looks like a F hitter. Can't get close to .700 OPS at any minor league level. Maybe the scouts see something. Didn't expect much though.

That was disappointing. Minaya has some talent, but has had some control issues all along - and they kind of erupted today (other teams have swung at a lot of his out-of-the-zone pitches).

I don't think he's particularly great, but he's certainly better than some pitchers on wild card contending rotations...and he's currently pitching a lot better than that. All I can figure is that Hahn wants something of legit value for him - a reasonable "lottery ticket"...and I agree with Hahn on that.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Aug 29, 2017 -> 11:50 PM) Esteban Loaiza. Nuff said. Well, if you want to go back that far, I'll take the player they cast-off Loaiza for - Jose Contreras. A flop for the Yankees turned into the best starter on a great WS WS rotation.

I suppose he's a good coach - everyone says he is. Aside from Q and Sale he hasn't had much material to work with. Still, I would be fine with some fresh blood. Of course, I would be fine with fresh blood in a lot of places, including the Front Office.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 29, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) 0 reason to rush him up if he has a good couple weeks in spring. Agree But habits are hard to break.

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QUOTE (Heads22 @ Aug 25, 2017 -> 09:09 PM) If we don't trade Miguel, I'd like him back next year. They can trade him and sign him back (although I'm not sure that's the best course - they'll probably need a vet starter though) But no point in giving him away either. Get a decent lottery ticket or keep him. He was great tonight. And Minaya has been a workhorse. Yolmer is looking like a keeper - they say he plays a good 3b...just a touch more from the bat.

Nice series win. I have no interest in seeing the Twins in the playoffs. Bullpen is stabilizing some.

Fulmer is likely a bullpen guy, in the majors, but don't move him there until you have to. No point in minor league bullpen work. Let him start.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) at this point the Cards wouldn't surprise me at all. Like most have said...just how the hell a contender passed on him is mind boggling. It's not like he has this massive contract... Gonzalez just isn't very good. His last 2 starts have been effective, but the K rates are low (as they have been all season), suggesting lack of sustainability. Other than that, pretty miserable season. Maybe he's a little better than some of the guys a team like Seattle is using to patch a rotation. We'll see.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 18, 2017 -> 11:17 PM) I've enjoyed watching this lineup. There aren't a lot of pretty stats but they seem to produce compared to having it littered with veterans. I just hate the way they lose with a pen you want investigated for throwing games. I agree, although the pen is just the reality of its talent. Still, a couple of the guys in the pen are slowly getting a little better (although not the ones that were once, I suppose, considered real "prospects") The position rebuild looks far ahead of the pitching.

Nice Team needed a W Can't lose them all. And congrats to Juan M.

Leury is a good player. I don't see a real need to deal with an extension anytime soon. They could do it now and it would be cheap; wait a year and if he performs it's more expensive. On the other hand, other guys might develop who are as good as Leury and play similar positions. If that happens, they can trade him or the other guy (likely for pitching). Engel is handling CF defensively - the bat though; not sure how a guy like Narvaez is doing defensively, but his bat, while not good, is no worse than what the Sox have gotten since AJ's prime and he's improving. And he gets on base. The position players/prospects are coming around. Looks like the Sox will have a lot of solid hitters, and maybe 1 or 2 elite ones. That will do the trick. I know I'm a contrarian, but to me it's the pitching. I count maybe 10-12 solid prospects, but they need double that number. I know the Cubs traded for and signed pitching, but that's hit or miss too.

QUOTE (Quin @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 08:37 PM) Dude. This is the epitome of hero worship. LOL No, it's a request to have some semblance of competence on this team. There is no one - not one bullpen pitcher - who should be on a major league roster. Not one. Do you think a game like this and loss after loss helps development? And Petricka - good lord, he's never been any good at all.

$1 million is nothing in baseball terms. While nothing special, he was the only guy on the roster who showed any competence in the pen - a pen that has to support a starting staff that has trouble finishing the 6th inning. So why give him up for a pittance? Do they have to have THE number 1 pick to make a good pick?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 16, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) What does amuse me is the blind faith people are putting in this front office. Supposedly they couldn't identify major league pieces that fit a winning roster, couldn't draft or develop for s*** for years, now they acquire all these prospects and are geniuses. They are going to win 100 games a year for a decade. To me, identifying major league players who can help a team vs. prospects who will develop into stars, seems to be a lot easier. And the people in charge failed to do the easy one. Why is it a slam dunk this is going to work out just fine? The wrong guys go south and this could be a disaster. They did what they did, and probably what they had to do, I'm still looking at it cautiously. I'm not sold on the talent evaluators and developers. I don't know why they suddenly would become top of the line. Yep Fans are fans; nothing wrong with people being excited. But what saddens/scares me is that the man who is in charge, JR, has blind faith in this Front Office. I think key to success/failure of what they are trying to do remains the actual drafting by the White Sox, begun in 2016 and ongoing. They have changed the type of player they are drafting I suppose, but I still haven't seen a big improvement in talent evaluation or development. But we'll see.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) That's why we made the playoffs four consecutive years (2003-04-05-06)...because of that amazing 2000 prospect class that was ranked #1. If that farm had been as good as advertised, the Sox would have been a monster for years. As it is, with just 1 more good starter and reliever, they grab another playoff appearance or two.

Thank goodness.

QUOTE (JPR @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Absolutely amazing the best gM in da game turned this piece of Bronx trash into anything! From what I can tell, they turned him into nothing. Not sure why the Astros deserved a giveaway, but so be it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) What do you mean bout the pitching being a disaster zone? The starting rotation is Rodon, Giolito, Lopez, Kopech (sp?) and Cease. these are all can't miss major leaguers. Plus Hansen, Fulmer and Dunning. Burdi, Adams and Clarkin. You already have a full staff of starters and relievers here. Like I said add one vet starter maybe and 2 bullpen guys for a few bucks and you are talking low low payroll for a No. 1 in the league pitching staff. The two prospects for 1 major league player doesn't make sense regarding these guys. And I'm probably forgetting somebody. Yea, they're all cinches. That's the kind of dreamland in which the Sox lived in 2015-2016....at least this time it is with young players, with their better years ahead of them. With all the Sox had to trade, this should not be a 5 year rebuild.