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QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 11:54 PM) Nothing at all wrong with "Clowning" (and I don't mean that as a pun to my avatar). I want more players who are out there having fun and helping keep the team loose. Look at KC, that team is full of clowns. San Fran has a lot of fun. The Boston team that won the WS the year after losing 90 games. The Tigers with Muggy. I suppose I understand people thinking they shouldn't be "clowning" when the team is doing so bad, but c'mon. They're out there 162 days hanging your head and mopping (and not being yourself) is not the way to do it. Send in the Clowns. Clowning is taking bad reads in the OF. running the bases poorly, playing lousy defense. Making mental mistakes. It's no surprise that Melky was quoted the other day saying he thought Ventura is a great manager and he loved playing for him. Ventura has coddled veteran clowning for his entire tenure. (the young players better not clown) I substantively agree with Balta's plan, although I would be a little more aggressive in seeing what's out there for Sale or Quintana.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) This would be a terrible move from Samardzija's side. If he has a QO attached to him it will cost him a lot of money as a free agent compared to if he has no QO attached to him. Could even keep him from being signed at all until mid-June. Yep. The best thing that could happen shark is to get the QO off of his back.I think he realized that in July. It certainly looked to me at that time he was pitching with 150% effort. And then he collapsed. He probably also realized in July that he had no future with the White Sox because of his relationship with Cooper. Certainly wouldn't surprise me if he reverts to his career form: a number three starter that people hero worshiped the discarded Cub into an ace. They will give him the QO. Whether the Sox end up with a comp pick is to be determined.

QUOTE (bjm676 @ Sep 16, 2015 -> 10:13 AM) get rid of the following - Daniel Webb Avisail Garcia MIke Olt Tyler Flowers Micah Johnson None are MLB caliber players. Flame on... Micah, Garcia and possibly Webb are. Now Cooper and Ventura jettisoned Micah in May, despite him being the 2nd to best hitter on the team at the time, and the opinions of those 2 luminaries at talent evaluation will probably be honored. Avi is hitting about the same as Melky, with less clowning.

Cespedes is just what KW ordered: low OBP off of a career year. I would consider trading Eaton. He's a clown, but his stats are good and should yield a couple of good players. Trayce can play CF (better than Eaton can).

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 10:41 PM) Holland blows it in the 12th. Sox are 1 game from the Tigers--which is good. Top 10 will just give the Sox more incentive to sign some mid-tier "proven veteran" FA. Oh, what am I saying....they'll do it anyway, protected or not. Just 1 or 2 players away, you know.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) Webb just isn't very good unfortunately. Could be a change of scenery guy that gets him to throw his hardest and hope for the best Maybe a different pitching coach on the Sox would be sufficient change of scenery.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 08:33 PM) Aces pitch deep into games, and they don't get shut down. The pitch deep into games when they need to. Ventura and Cooper are coaching scared...major scared.

116 pitches for Sale in garbage time. Don Ventura are a real piece of work.

Sale should have been shelved 2 weeks ago. Most of the usual suspect in the lineup. This is not "young player friendly" organization, especially with Cooper and Ventura in the dugout. But I'm sure glad Melky loves Robbie as manager.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 05:25 PM) You disagree? The Sox scouting of major league players on other teams seems just awful. Only thing worse was season 2 of True Detective Agree

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 04:01 PM) Why does Robertson get a pass this season? He has been rather ordinary at best. I advocated trading him at the break and people laughed at me. Don't know that he's getting a pass. I was hoping we'd trade him when claimed in August. I think it would have been hard to dump him for more than salary.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 03:56 PM) Another loss, another game closer to a top 10 pick. Nice pun.

Robertson joins the party. Why the hell not.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Sep 16, 2015 -> 01:34 PM) Not sure why Carroll wasn't up earlier. You always need a guy who can eat innings in September, and when you're not in a pennant chase, it doesn't really matter how good he is. Because you should bring up real prospects in September not AAAA fodder. Even Junior Guerra should be up instead of Carroll.

Olt absolutely should play third every day....so that Saladino can play short every day.

I can't think of much Ventura, Cooper, Hahn and Williams have done to warrant continued employment

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 14, 2015 -> 10:21 PM) Micah with 3 walks in the game. IF JR maintains his current front office, he's going to be packaged likely with someone like Trayce and a pitching prospect for a veteran off of a career year, or a declining star.

And there you have it. The entire regime and season in one 1/2 inning. Your Chicago White Sox.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:56 PM) Said this all year, but Montas should absolutely be trade bait this offseason. Good luck ever making him a starter Well he's not ready. He did not have his command down in AA.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) So meaningless for a team that rarely spends on pitching (in part because of Cooper), has terrible defenses, and is otherwise effective. No idea how he's tied to Ventura considering he's been in the organization for 27 years now including under 3 managers as pitching coach. He's been the shadow manager, making the pitching moves. He's been KW's mole...been here long enough. Infield defense was fine during most of his tenure. Sox have invested plenty of resources (players and otherwise) into pitchers. Thornton and Quintana are his claims to fame.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Cooper should have a job forever here as long as Sale avoids longterm injury One team ERA in the top 1/2 of MLB in 7 seasons. Tied himself to Ventura Bye bye

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) The one thing we know for certain is that this roster can't be Rick Hahn's fault. JR can relieve him and KW of their duties next.

Hahn should just walk out there and relieve Ventura and Cooper of their duties right now. Thompson should play center

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 12, 2015 -> 10:20 AM) Gotta factor in we play a lot of divisional games. That can bury us. Still have a lot of games against Detroit, which is a basket case. With things like throwing Q for 120 pitches, while others play their aaA teams, will win fair amount of games the rest of the year. And that's find. It may make them resist the temptation of spending a bunch of money on an overpriced FA

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Sep 12, 2015 -> 02:42 PM) First off, my first move would be to part ways with Robin. This team is desperate for a new identity and culture. IMO, that begins with bringing in a manager with a plan of attack. Hopefully KW leaves for another opportunity, but assuming he returns, I'll pray he does some of the following this winter: 1) Offer Samardzija that QO. From everything I'm hearing, he will likely decline in an attempt to net a bigger deal else were. This means the White Sox obtain a first rounder. Keeping ALL of their picks in 2016 should be priority #1. 2) Decline the player option on Alexei and move on. He is well beyond his prime. 3) Trade from the teams strength (pitching). Many posters here have mentioned the idea of trading Quintana. He ideally can net a pretty solid return given his age, cost and production. In a perfect world you can fill two positions with such trade and the Sox have holes at 3B, SS, 2B, C, and RF. (I think Avi can improve but he has had a down year that makes many concerned) 4) Give the prospects a chance and start the process of seeing what you have in house. 5) Avoid the temptation of signing FAs unless you it does NOT sacrifice a draft pick. 6) focus on adding depth to the farm system. I would consider dealing valuable veterans like Cabrera and Robertson if it means adding needed prospects to farm to better increase the teams chances for 2018 and beyond. With all the holes on this roster, I am more focused on adding prospect depth over MLB roster depth. This team needs to undergo a rebuild. This rebuild can be accelerated via trades and wise personelle decisions made by upper management. Unfortunately, I don't trust upper management anymore... The retooling will likely continue and the sub.500 mediocre baseball will commence on the Southside. Oy vey..... I like this plan a lot. This team is not a couple or even a few players away from contending, heroes to some they may be.