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QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 23, 2015 -> 08:23 AM) Why does everyone want to trade Quintana? It doesn't make sense unless you're getting a guy like Frazier our Arenado in return, and even then, Q should be pretty much the entire package. His value is insane, and a package that was suggested earlier in this thread for just Arenado (which included Montas, Micah Johnson, and Adams) should, in addition to someone like Arenado, net the team a young, proven 125+ wRC+ catcher with great defense. If we're not getting something worth 5+ WAR and cost controlled for Q, then why not keep the trio of cost controlled lefties that are likely to produce 15-18 WAR at the top of the rotation for the next 4+ years? You get two decent starters behind that, and you have the potential for a 20-25 WAR rotation, which is a playoff rotation with even a decent bullpen and offense. You trade Quintana because a)is value is determinable; b)it would be selling high for a change; c)the Sox have a lot of young arms. Trading for Frazier is the precise type of move the Sox should NOT make. He's not a good defender (despite the metrics), he's approaching 30, and he's having a career year. I should say "was" as he's been absolutely horrible since July. Plus you'd have him for only 2 more years. Sox don't need an all star. Get a good young 3B; and trading Quintana, you could get that and a couple of really good prospects (or maybe a catcher).

Robin Ventura is deranged.

Someone suggested it somewhere - trade MIcah for a 3B. Anderson's a year away; Alvarez a little more than that I suppose. Saladino at least replaces the $6 million killer Bs.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 06:49 PM) Still think Q will be traded this winter. I would certainly consider it, but I don't think that they will. If Montas is reliever only, trade him before the rest of baseball grades him that way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) Realistically, the only way we trade a Quintana is if we resign Samardjiza. Why? He's the guy we should trade before Rodon. His value is much easier to ascertain and he would bring back substantial pieces. Do we have to have a "proven veteran". Exactly how has that approach worked for the last decade. And if we trade Rodon it damn well better not be for some career year hero that people are all ga ga about.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 21, 2015 -> 12:02 PM) Quintana and Montas for Arenado- who says no? I think that's a slightly better deal for us, but I could be wrong. The Rockies do. That would be a good move for the Sox. We don't have that much pitching. And for sure don't trade it for the usual Williams/Hahn suspects.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Aug 20, 2015 -> 11:51 PM) I don't think so. He's managed to stay in baseball much longer. He has value as a utility player. Unfortunately guys like him get exposed when you have a weak hitting lineup. This Six have had bigger busts in the last 10 years. Broadway, Mitchell, the guy we traded for Thornton come to mind. Beckham has stuck around although That may just be a matter of the Sox keeping him around. We'll see if he gets picked up in the open market next year. You could also argue that Mitchell and Broadway werre bad reaches and never should've been drafted where they were.

Lead of the game with a double, and Ventura plays for 1 run. And if bunting is all Saladino's good for, then don't bat him 2nd. No Thompson, again. Ventura has decided he's a platoon hitter.

Any word on which Sox stiffs have cleared waivers? I assume Melky, Alexei, Laroche, Albers et al.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 10:18 PM) So how does it work? As long as the sox make a qualifying offer and he rejects the sox are compensated with the signing teams first round pick? yes - IF someone signs him by a certain date (sometime in June I think).

So now Robbie and Cooper have Thompson platooning with 4th OF/AAAA Shuck. That's fine when you're still in it, but the Sox aren't. It's development time. Insist on it, Hahn.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 04:16 PM) Why would we trade Adam Eaton? He is one of the top 3 bats on the team and an above average offensive CF signed cheap You're right, but you have to trade something to get something. Good teams sell high. If the Sox have a replacement, that's what you do - sell high.

QUOTE (CanOfCorn @ Aug 19, 2015 -> 04:50 PM) How 'bout the fact that it would probably take Q? So, then the Sox would lose Shark AND Q? And replace them with who? What would take Q? Henley Ramirez, who the Bosox overpaid when he was available as a Free Agent? Get real. It would take taking his contract and a bag of balls. The hero worship of decent hitters in their 30s is beyond belief. No wonder the Sox keep acquiring these stiffs...just doing the bidding of much of the fanbase. You can see the irrationality when people discuss Avi (a problem) v. Melky (doing well) when the reality is they're hitting about the same (and the "problem" is young, cheap and could improve). The Sox need to find a C, 3B, 2b, SS, and OF. They don't need to fill all of those to contend, just 3 or 4. If they can't find a 3B, stick with Saladino. in the meantime, give the in-house young players a chance. it may take trading Q; it may take trading someone like Eaton for a young 3b. But what won't solve it is getting a bunch of Henleys, Melkys or Laroches.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) I think we have the three starting OF spots filled. But, Thompson might be a good 4th OF option. Now if we make a change at the DH things might be different and spots open up Filled in what sense? To win a division? Doubtful. They need to play Thompson - see what they have. They could get a nice return for Eaton, if Thompson could replace him. Don't think they can afford not to have power at the 2 corner spots, esp with nothing from C, 2B and 3B (although that will obviously have to change to contend). They're stuck with Melky although I guess he can DH. Much bigger anchor than Avi.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 08:42 AM) Correct. Eaton appears to be a capable enough center fielder. If you have a guy who can be described that way, you let him play center. I'd put him on the market - see the offers. If Trayce is good enough or other replacements are available. The Sox want to win next year? C, 3b,SS, and 2B are as big an issue as Avi in RF. LF isn't the best either. They don't need to improve all of those, but at least some. No more than one "proven veteran" need apply.

Is it possible that Brantly can hit Major League pitching? He's only 26. They play him at DH a lot so I assume he can't catch. Am I wrong to think that the records of the DSL, ASL and PL are meaningful re the state of low minors and quality of drafts. They can always load up the full season teams with org. guys to boost records; but not the rookie leagues.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 03:50 AM) Red Sox need pitching, we've got arms in the minors. 1) This is the same approach the Sox have been doing. Get the "proven veteran" - he's elite. He's a hero. 2)Henley is a lousy defender. 3)Why should the Sox give up value for him and his contract...something anyone could have gotten for free a season ago? If it fails for 6 straight years, let's do it for a 7th.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 18, 2015 -> 07:43 AM) In 16 ABs, Trayce has already been worth 0.5 WAR. His defense, along with the potential of his bat, should make him an every day start from here on out. Give some of the other OFs rest and rotate him at DH. Just as long as you pinch hit for him in late innings.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Aug 16, 2015 -> 10:47 AM) Keppinger, Emilio, LaRoche. That's a lot of guys The Chairman has paid to do nothing. I wonder if he is ever going to call Kenny and Hahn into his office and say, "Fellas...." Well if you're including Laroche In the group, then the list would be a mile long.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 15, 2015 -> 03:06 PM) You can add Sanchez/Micah to that list, although nobody would be surprised if those four (Trayce, Tyler), along with Avi, are basically replacement level players at best. I would be surprised. At least 1 will be better than replacement. Probably 2. But what's the alternative? Trade 4 of them for a proven Melky type? Another "elite" Samardzija? That's just clowning and has no chance of working. Lazy. You need young talent.

QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 14, 2015 -> 06:38 PM) Ventura loves to leave the starter in to get his brains bashed in. He is trying to save the bullpen... but at what cost. What's he saving his pen for? The offseason? This was Putnam's 3rd appearance in August. Ventura and Cooper have been saving the pen all season. Hahn made some savvy deals in the winter of 2013. Last year, he or Williams or both decided to go all in for "proven veterans" and it was, predictably, a disaster. Unknown to Hahn/Williams, apparently, career years are rarely repeated and players get worse in their 30s. And watch them do some extreme hero-worshiping this offseason...they'll go after some guy who made the NL All Start team - a real hero...the board will be gaga....and he'll be mediocre.

Another subpar effort from Ventura/Cooper. Madden uses his pen. Ventura/Cooper make damn sure that starter gets 6 and 100+ Yea, Ventura should worry about celebrations. That's the ticket to baseball success.

I'm no scout so I can't attest to bat speed and such, but his hitting stats are certainly comparable, if not better, than Russell's.

Delightful. Get the proven veteran back for the stretch drive.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 12, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) He has years before you have to worry about that. Well he's 25, has never hit below .400 OBP anywhere. Be aggressive and creative. Russell and Scwharber for the Cubs were in A ball last year.