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QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 08:50 AM) Kinda surprised unless done as a favor to him. Had been pitching well of late except one outing. With teams looking for pen help hoped we could have gotten low level prospect or international pool money. Doubtful - he's been terrible since 2012. Rangers released Feliz and the Royals Frasor for nothing and they've been more productive.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 13, 2015 -> 06:12 AM) with all due respect, i know you said hope, i disagree with your idea. Q has still put up good numbers, yeah he has been snake bitten by some horrible luck. Shark, is going the fa rt, no matter what is said and done. unless the sox comes up with a 25 + mil offer, he is not resigning. I agree - Q fits this team - he's a ground ball pitcher. Shark doesn't. I don't think he gets $25 million, though Move Shark soon - it's a seller's market NOW....but it may not be in 2 weeks. Get Erik Johnson up here and see what he can do.

QUOTE (BigFinn @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) Adam LaRoche's batting splits for 2014 from Baseball Reference: 1st Half:.279/.383/.457 (BA/OBP/SLG) 2nd Half: .236/.336/.453 Fangraphs suggests that Jose Abreu as a better fielder at first base than Adam LaRoche. LaRoche is here to paper over the fact that the Sox organization does't have any LH power in the pipeline. Here is a summary of our offensive woes using OPS+ (thru Saturday's game): OPS+ Player Starters 136 Jose Abreu 103 Adam LaRoche 101 Avisail Garcia 99 Adam Eaton 90 Tyler Flowers 86 Melky Cabrera 82 Conor Gillaspie 64 Gordon Beckham 56 Alexei Ramirez 31 Carlos Sanchez Bench 97 Geovanny Soto 94 JB Son Beckham 83 Micah Johnson 55 Tyler Saladino 1 Emilio Bonifacio Looking at the raw data, I could see the Sox playing Soto more frequently than Flowers over the next 2-3 weeks. Although Alexei Ramirez is showing some signs of life over the last 2 weeks (.306/.342/.361) and I like what I've seen from Tyler Saladino during the Cubs series, the White Sox need to find some help for catcher and the left side of the infield. Based on that data, they need help at LF more than catcher. And I agree with the data - Sox could use a quality OF. I wouldn't give up Flowers' pitch framing for those few OPS points.

That Friday meltdown looks like it devastated the Tigers. They had beaten Minny on Thursday, had the game well in hand on Friday, and then WHAM. they lose the series. Tough game. Tigers might decide to sell.

What they should do is sell high on Shark before Friday. What they will do is overpay for a dead veteran.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 04:30 PM) Other than Samardzija though, they don't have anything to "sell". They'd probably deal Ramirez or a reliever. That's it though. Just that should help a lot. The market for starters is tight right now, but will loosen up. But Samardjiza's value won't be higher than it is right now. Supply will go up prior to 7/30 and I doubt he throws another shutout. Deal him before Friday.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 02:00 PM) Espn article from last night Doesn't make any sense. You send down the starting 3b? And if he isn't the starter, why was he staring for 3 straight games. Not to mention the useless Bonifacio is on the roster.

3b, SS and 2b are far greater offensive weaknesses than Flowers. LF and RF are positions where the Sox are about equally weak, relative to position, as the Sox are at catcher. I remember the clamor for the "elite" Jason Castro, the Starlin Castro of catchers.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) SP is a strength, you can trade one of those guys and not skip a beat. You keep your big 4 of Sale-Shark-Q-Rodon and also add a bat to the fold. Not sure how you can say that would be a sure fire way to 73 wins. You could trade anyone in the farm and not skip a beat this year. Don't devalue an asset just because you don't need him today. Undervaluing assets, such as trading a top 100 prospect for an average bat, is a sure-fire way to return to 73 wins. Sox will need pitchers (2 of them) for next season. Stockpile the pitching. The Sox should be working on a trade of Samardzija anyway. Sell high, for a change.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) That's why if I'm the Sox and I'm within 3 games of the wild card, I'm trying to trade guys like EJ, Mantas, Danish, Petricka, and Putnam for a big league bat. You fill a hole or 2 with even average players and it's a whole new team. Productive prospects for average bats.....That's a sure fire way to 73 wins again. Montas is a top 100 prospect and looking better all the time. EJ probably could be in this rotation right now. Can't trade those 2 for an average bat. To rent Upton, perhaps (although I wouldn't). Danish is not my cup of tea, but he's being underavalued for an average bat. Petricka and Putnam - fine, except we need them. Petricka particularly fits this team with his groundball ways. Trade Leury and some non-descript A ball prospect for an average bat.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 08:58 AM) Uh oh, there was a Noesi siting last night for 2 innings, lol. And 2 good ones. The Cooper project lives!

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 12, 2015 -> 08:45 AM) Yep. Bonafacio's .151 BA and questionable D bring nothing except for speed. Conor brings a LH bat with a little pop and could serve well to PH late in games. Beckham brings Defense, a little pop with a RH bat. The Sox already have Shuck as the 4th OF who plays nice D and has some pop. Boni is the odd man out. If the Sox need speed, Leury is just a call up away. Bye bye Boni. Speed? It doesn't even use it well. He should have been called out on Friday, when anyone who knows how to slide would have been safe easily.

Bonifacio clearly should be dropped. He hasn't played much in 2 months. Gillespie can actually hit a little. Bonifacio isn't even a particularly good runner.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) He is starting the AAA all-star game and they are trying to limit his innings a bit (I assume so he can come up eventually to be in the rotation) That explains it. Thought all of those all star games happened last month.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 12:17 PM) Good call man. I think Masterson and Kelly are along the lines of what the cubs are looking for and Buchholz left last night's game with tightness in his elbow which could limit the pitching market even more. the Red Sox, however, are more in the race than the White Sox are. They can win that iffy division....Sox have no chance to win its division. I'd think Red Sox would be marginal buyers. And they need pitching, contenders or not.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 11, 2015 -> 11:35 AM) Bruce Levine and his merry band of morons need to remember that it's the Sox that have (Samardzija) what some contenders covet and therefore it's the Sox that have all the leverage, not the other way around. Yes, that Comp. Pick and the Sox sitting marginally in the wild card hunt give the Sox a good bit of leverage. Those Cubs trade packages don't seem that bad to me for a rent, but you do have to discount the Theo hype factor from all Cubs prospects, so I am not sure.

I see Erik Johnson was pulled out of 47 pitches. That suggests bullpen. What's the plan - for him to replace Carroll as Danks' caddy? Davidson is walking 15% of the time and will hit 20+ homers. There's something to work with there.

The other guy the Sox sent in the Myers trade is about the same age and looks fairly similar, although in AA.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) i don't know if it is me, but he is still really raw. he still has time to continue to grow. I agree with you. he needs to show more power though.

QUOTE (MnSoxFan @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 06:15 AM) Almonte for Beckham. Blackmar and Chalas for DeAza Delmonico we picked up after he was released (by the Brewers?) They all look interesting, esp. Almonte. But the K totals are low on each ....can't expect more I suppose for Beckham and DeAza

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) Really is nice when you have a pitcher like Danks, to have someone like Carroll who can handle the random blowups and save the pen. Him and Duke did a great job last night. That's the problem...Danks is taking up 2 roster spots.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 08:21 AM) I'd rather watch Davidson fail for the 1st time than Beckham for the 5th time. There is still a 0.1% chance that Davidson can be a everyday MLB player. That percentage is dead zero for Gordon. Agree 100% Davidson only 24. There are players who are late bloomers. He obviously has some talent.

At which minor league level does the Rule 5 clock start to tick? Looks like Myles Jaye may be Rule 5 this year. He's having a nice rebound season. As for Ynoa, he gives up a hit an inning, strikes out a hitter per inning, and walks a batter every other inning. but he hasn't given up a homer yet. Too bad his Rule 5 eligible because he's not someone I would give up.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 07:57 AM) Anyone calling for Matt Davidson should never be able to complain about White Sox prospects anymore. And when he fails, should be suspended if they complain even once. He's hitting .230 and striking out at an incredible clip in his third go around at a level a 22 year old Carlos Sanchez had no problem with. his K totals are off the charts. I wonder how many swinging strikes he takes v. how many called strikes he takes. With his high walk totals (15% of the time), he's obviously looking for "that pitch" and perhaps overly-willing to sit back down if he doesn't get it. If so, it may be something that he could realistically improve on.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 9, 2015 -> 10:49 PM) Again, what are our options? My comment was in response to the idea that teams would want to trade for Laroche and take his salary. But if teams would, yes I would trade him if a team would give us a good prospect. Options? I don't know.