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Regarding a question of a Castro for Samardzija trade, a righteous member of the Chicago media had this to say. Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 3h3 hours ago @Djeenigenburg That's a rarity: A genuinely interesting, viable, and conversation-worthy Cubs-Sox proposal. I bet Cubs would say no first. I don't live in Chicago so I don't know who these characters are, but, good gracious.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 10:17 AM) Reasoning? I think most people would see that trade as a steal for the White Sox. The Reds would probably require a much more elite prospect than Anderson to deal Frazier. It's not like he'd be a rent and he'd be paid way below market during the remaining two years of control. I respect your opinion on things, but I honestly believe you overvalue prospects. He's having a great year, a career year. Knock out this year, and tell me what you have...a good player, who is not particularly great defensively. It's a steal only if you believe that .900 OPS is what you get. I don't. Plus, it's for 2 more years only. And, as you can probably tell from my posts, I don't like trading our best prospects for veterans. I've seen the Sox screw it up far more times than they score and there's no assurance the Vets will play as you think they will. ON a side note, why in the world are the Reds so bad. They have the best closer in MLB, an Ace starter, 3 hitters people love (at least on this board) and the fastest player in the game.

Why are the Sox playing so many Sat afternoon games instead of early evening?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 09:47 AM) You want crazy, southsideshowdown.com threw out this idea recently: 3B Todd Frazier for SS Tim Anderson, RHP Frank Montas, and 3B Trey Michalczewski Pass

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 18, 2015 -> 09:10 AM) Then don't trade him. There you go. I think you could get closer in value in a Sale trade; although probably a 1/3 of that value would be in A Ball prospects and sloughing off contracts we don't like (Sox really don't have much of that left).

Well, Coats hit better in high A than he did in A. He hit better in AA (2nd try) than he did in high A In AAA he's below AA, but there's still time He's got a touch of power. Interesting player.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 09:38 PM) I think you can get a tremendous package in return for Quintana. The Seager idea may be a reach, but just about every team in baseball would love Q on their team with his contract. I'm not sure what defines "elite" but Quintana should get you a haul. I think you SHOULD get a great package for Quintana - his skill warrants that - but I don't think you would. He's not known, not great stuff, no hype, bad record....all things that should be irrelevant, but which aren't to buyers who have to deal with fanbases. He's worthy of a Shields return, but I think you'd get a Fister return.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 10:50 PM) Right or wrong the Sox are a very loyal organization. JR, Kenny, Hahn are all in Robin's corner. Now he may resign, there's always that chance but from what I'm hearing he will not be fired. Mark If they can't see how poorly coached this team team is, then they just aren't serious.

I've never seen a manager value baserunners less than Ventura. Constantly calls for steals when the team isn't good at it. I guess he's like the rest of this org. When something fails, keep doing it over and over.

You aren't getting any elite hitting prospects unless you trade Chris Sale.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) Definitely looking like a DFA candidate, come Sunday. I would think they'll go back to a 7-man pen on Tuesday, and Gillaspie will be gone...well, him or Bonifacio. But my money is on Conor right now. Conor can hit a little - maybe more if he had some coaching. Bonifacio is useless.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 05:27 PM) However, they have no room for Colon. We CAN get him. It's a no brainer trade. Even if Colon sucks with the Sox, we have no use for Shark. He's gone after this year and we're going nowhere this year. It's a no risk deal. Colon and Lamb for Shark is a STEAL for the Sox. The Royals are awful at 2B. Why haven't they called him up? We can do better....if Williams/Hahn stop kidding themselves and start making some moves. They should have traded him during the all star break. And then a new coaching staff after the season.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 03:03 PM) Schwarber might be better than Bryant IMO And he is a lefty bat and possibly at a premium position for that kind of offense Righty bats are more scarce than lefty bats. Remains to be seen if Schwarber can catch. That said, I'm okay with trading Sale for a bunch of elite talent. And after we do that, hire their scouts.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) Putnam, Avi Garcia, and Erik Johnson to Milwaukee for Carlos Gomez and Neal Cotts 3 young players for another Melky Neal Cotts? Yikes - that would be bad.

And that is why you trade him before today. this org absolutely refuses to ever sell high.

Ventura back to the Abreu batting second silliness I see.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 01:16 PM) Is their that much risk in Puig. Even if he's crazy, he's still performing above his contract. Immaturity isn't his only risk. Look at his numbers - they went from great to good to pretty good. Decline, decline. You value him based off of his first year. He's not a great player right now.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 12:49 PM) The upside of a Q for Puig package (maybe Sox give up a guy on their side or Dodgers add a name, but primary package being these 2) is going to be with the White Sox, imo. There's no question about that. I said Q for Puig was fair; I just wouldn't do it because of Puig's immaturity. Puig has big upside and big risks. Q is steady.

Salary relief, fine.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 12:14 PM) Matt Spiegel has been proposing a Puig for Quintana deal all morning. Matt Spiegel ‏@MattSpiegel670 12m12 minutes ago Avisail Garcia and Jose Quintana for Yasiel Puig. Who says no? I love Quintana but Puig is the type of talent I'd ideally want in return for him. Supposedly, Abreu and Puig don't get along. Thoughts, everyone? A lot of people don't get along with Puig. No. Puig is a good player, but not great. Quintana for Puig is a "fair" trade, but not one I would do. Puig's production has declined each season. Certainly wouldn't throw Avi in there. Cargo? Good lord. The Sox signed its Cargo - Melky Cabrera. And you would get Cargo for 1 more year.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jul 17, 2015 -> 08:06 AM) Aside from what I have all said in this thread, that's another reason to trade Samardzija. The Sox desperately need hitters throughout the organization and trading Samardzija can help with that. Certainly agree. I'm not sure why the Sox liked Samardzija so much in the first place. He's not really a ground ball pitcher, which they (rightly) prefer.

QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) How do you leave Danish out of the top 6? A 20 year old in AA that has posted a 2.83 ERA in July's 19 IP. Yes, he may just be Jon Garland, but he's going to pitch in the majors for a long time as a #3-4 starter. And a 4+ ERA with a 1.63 WHIP for the whole season in AA. Strikeouts are modest as well.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 11:15 PM) No reason to trade him ASAP. Take it to the deadline. Let the bidding get hot. Well there were 15 scouts at his start where he thee a complete game shutout against a (the?) top hitting team. May not get more heated than that. I also suspect that between now and the deadline, there will be a greater supply of pitchers on the market than there are now.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 02:57 PM) Barstool had me on to talk about the Samardzija situation and state of the Sox. http://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/fire...de/#getcomments Read that earlier. Didn't know it was you. Well-reasoned analysis.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 16, 2015 -> 09:51 PM) I would be very disappointed if the centerpiece for Shark is a pitcher. They have to start getting some hitters in here. As we see this year, what good is having a rotation of 4 good-great starting pitchers is you can't score runs. I agree with Balta. Give it a week. There really is no rush rush right now. Well if they weren't going to trade him by tomorrow, there really is no rush. Best player available. Nothing wrong with stockpiling young pitching...can move it for young hitting as well. Sox don't have that much pitching anyway. In fact, now that Montas is called up, they don't have a top prospect pitcher anywhere near the majors (I'm discounting E Johnson; his stats are so good, that to have not been called up tells me they don't think he can beat major league hitting).