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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 05:25 PM) Just using the law of averages, the Sox are due to have a guy like Engel and a few more actually break out, aren't they? Ha! One would think.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) Sanchez probably is, Saladino probably isn't. Maybe not, but just as soon let him play SS as these less than exemplary FAs.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) They have three - Saladino, Sanchez and Leury. With Leury being far and away the weakest of the bunch in overall value. His hitting is atrocious on a special level, and frankly his defense isn't that great either. He's got more speed than either of the others, but has no other advantages. No reason to keep him. Saladino and Sanchez are starters.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:16 AM) Is there anywhere we can look at possible rule 5 players from other teams? For the Sox, I dont think they need to protect Leury, Kevan Smith, or Daniel Webb. I would protect Tago, Phillips, Smith, Wendelken, and Jaye. All of those guys have some use. Smith, fwiw, is our most advanced catching prospect. WEbb has had a lot of time in the majors, and he's done well at times, albeit inconsistently. And Leury certainly can be an effective utility player; he hit a little better last year as well. The Sox spent $8 million or so on 2 utility stiffs. They are going to need one of these types.

Why would any team reject a $10 Mill option, only to make a 15M QO? I know it's hard to believe it now, but Sox life will go on without Alexei. The org. will find a way to endure.

Please just let him go. Set Alexei free.

anyway here's my suggestion, which is sure to be met with applause! (Or not). Trade Eaton and Melky to the Padres for Norris, Solarte, Ross and a prospect. Trade Q to Redsox for Bradley JR, Chtistian Vasquez and prospects. 2 holes plugged (albeit no better than plugged) and a killer OF defense with 2 guys who can cover ground and Avi's arm. Need to add a power bat, although I don't know what to do about Laroche. Could eve re-sign Alexei at half price now that the other 2 clowns are gone. Saladino the utility guy.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 06:46 AM) Yeah I don't get that either. I also don't get the comp to Phegley. Norris is much better against lefties than righties. Like Phegley, there are ongoing criticisms about his D and his pitch-calling. His OPS was barely 700. And when you want to trade away a young 2B who can hit, a CF who did nothing but rake and play great D, Norris must be a hero. There can be no other explanation to pay that kind of price. Most teams would use Thompson and Micah...the sox have so little creativity and the manager so limited in skill, that they don't know what to do with them except assign Thompson as 4th OF. Both have skills well above the Sox median...find a way to use those skills. (Micah can hit; Thompson can defend and might be able to hit- at least he has so far)

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 06:03 PM) The White Sox seem to be waiting until the last minute to announce what they are going to do with Alexei. Makes me think they either trying to get him to sign a lesser contract. It is at least worth a shot. Just let him go. He's an aging, declining player, and makes too many mental errors. Why they want to hang onto him like he's special is mind boggling, except that the sox are a ridiculously sentimental and hero-worshiping organization. Sox need a culture change.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 04:43 PM) Trade SP Erik Johnson, RF Avail Garcia, 3B Trey Michalczewski, OF Courtney Hawkins, and SP Tyler Danish to the Reds for 3B Todd Fraizer and SP Nick Howard Trade OF Trayce Thompson and 2B Micah Johnson to the Padres for C Derek Norris not to be flip, but the suggested massive overpays and chasing heroes is exactly what the Sox should NOT do. Norris is essentially Phegley from the different side of the plate. Todd Frazier had an OPS of c .650 in the 2nd half. His home/road splits are gigantic as well. He's the precise type player that the Sox should avoid. Plus, the price you suggest paying is what an elite player would command. Under no method of analysis is Todd Frazier an elite player. In the end, the Sox still have a poor defensive team, with a substantially weakened farm, and filled 2 holes with okay, not great, players. Not a contender. Upton is a good player, but not a great player. Pass on 7/140. Defense, bullpen, young players is the ticket. Sox need to add young talent, not dump it for over-rated heroes. Go after FAs when the foundation is set.

The real problem with the Cubs/Sox trade proposals is that the Cubs don't have what the Sox need. Sox need an athletic defensive outfielder, young C and 3B. The Cubs have none of the above to trade. Oh sure the Sox could use a DH. But in this day and age, you need one who has a position. And the Cubs aren't trading Schwarber anyway.

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 01:41 PM) I dont think anyone is arguing that. The point I'm making is I think they'll have to go pretty far down the list because of the position they have put themselves in with Robin's status. Agree. It's ridiculous they way that they handled this.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) Certainly possible. To be honest, I'd rather have Alexei at 2/3 the cost of Desmond. I'd rather have Saladino at 1/20th of the cost of either.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 2, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) Didnt want him before, want him even less now yep

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) Well, he would be in the same exact position with Shapiro as KW with Hahn. Feels he's earned more respect and freedom than that level of oversight. That's probably right. Maybe even worse. There are those who say that Hahn is making baseball decisions. Frankly, I'm disappointed that Shapiro is leaving the Central. Tribe weren't exactly ominous during his stint.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 09:21 AM) We can make excuses for a lot of things, but over 7 minor league seasons he hit .241 with a .319 OBP. He may be the rare guy that does better in the majors than the minors, but the odds are against it. No reason not to find out. It's not like he hit .660 OPS and we're saying "he's young and could improve." If the Sox won't play a young player who raked like he did AND is far better defensively than anyone in the OF, when will they go into a season confident with a young player?

Lucroy Build the organization, please. Get solid at 3B, SS, 2B, LF, RF, bench, set up man in pen, and then talk about throwing prospects at heroes. As for Fowler. Do people really want to weaken this atrocious OF defense even further? File him in the same Cubbie hype file in which "Starlin CAstro was great in 2015" resides.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 30, 2015 -> 12:10 PM) By all accounts, Desmond had an atrocious season last year for a guy coming off 3 straight 4+ win seasons. He failed to reach the 20/20 club for the first time since 2011 and was a butcher with the glove. I still think the Nationals might offer a QO to him, but does anybody think he is one of the best bounce back candidates of this FA class? His second half line bounced back quite a bit to the tune of .262/.331/.446 which is above average production from the SS spot. There is a great deal of risk involved in a long term contract with him, but if he could be had for $14-15 MM a year over 4 years, I think it's something the Sox should contemplate. That would give you the ability to slide Anderson to 2nd or move Desmond to DH if his glove continues to slide. If he gets a QO, he's not a buy low candidate. But, yes, if the price really were low, take him. Sox have no business throwing away draft choices like they did last year.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 11:43 PM) Olt is a young 27. Are we all OK with letting him start next year and see what we've got? Remember, Gillaspie was a starter for the Sox for a year and change ... Is it Olt time considering those 2 mammoth blasts he hit last September? It wouldn't be my preference. But then again, I don't want the Sox "going for it". I want them to continue to build by making savvy deals wherever they may lie, without pressing to "fill a hole" (because the Sox have about 6 holes by my count). So if that leaves us short a 3B again, so be it.

QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 09:57 AM) Engel is really coming into his own, esp since June and July.... however being moved to 3b..... i hope he develops more power. Where is the "moved to 3B" coming from?

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 08:38 PM) Morneau option not picked up. What do you think? Always killed it in our park Neither. Sox need to get more versatile. Fewer dead veterans needed as well.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 29, 2015 -> 10:43 AM) Well, the majority of the fan base likes Steverson for whatever reason, sooooo..... Only because he's a non insider. As have hoodwinked Hahn and Williams for over a decade so see if this is any different.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2015 -> 08:09 AM) He's got plenty of arm for any OF slot. But his strong skills in routes, speed and glove work mean his value is highest in CF. Yes!

QUOTE (whtsoxfan @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Any of these make sense? http://chicagostylesports.com/2015/10/25/c...series-in-2016/ Some might, but not the one for the White Sox. Not a single elite prospect in the bunch. And of course, Starlin Castro, who has about zero trade value.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 25, 2015 -> 02:01 PM) You aren't getting Russell, Baez, Schwarber, or Bryant if you offer Q. their guys still in the minors, Soler, and Castro are their trade pieces.. Then they won't get much in trade. Castro has very little trade value. Teams aren't exactly lining up for .667 OPS at a bargain price of $40 million. I think they'd trade Schwarber...all that talk about him playing C is just that...to up his value. He has no position.