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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 04:51 PM) Use 2016 to develop what we can out of Garcia, Eaton, and the middle infielders we have. 2016 clears out LaRoche and Danks's money as well, leaving us with only Cabrera as a likely bad contract. Right now it looks like Jose Abreu is going to either be a long-term DH or a guy who is regularly banged up and not able to contribute like he did in 2014, but 2016 will provide good evidence if that's not the case (maybe he gets a better training routine next offseason and comes back healthier?). This, of course, is what we should have done in 2015, but I agree with you. Still, there is no 3B or catcher on the horizon and the Sox need to do looking for deals along those lines as well.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) I love Sale but a package of Puig, Urias, Seager, and Olivera would be tempting and I'd probably take it. I'd do that. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 05:17 PM) I would trade Shark, Montas and Avisail for Puig. I'd do that too.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) I don't know if they would or not. It would set them up pretty well. It all depends on how they really feel about Puig. What if Detroit picked up the difference in money this season? I can't understand why the Dodgers would consider trading the guy,maybe he is too big a distraction. Maybe they want prospects. That's a ridiculous overpay for rents. Puig is controlled for 4 more years at reasonable numbers. I don't see how it sets them up well anyway. Puig much is better than Cespedes. Dodgers already have 2 top of the rotation starters.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 01:46 PM) Any chance Pittsburgh would trade their competitive balance pick in return for Ramirez? I'd take that deal for the White Sox in a heartbeat. Those picks are released today. That would be nice

1. Anderson 2. Montas 3. Adams 4. Fulmer 5. Johnson 6. Hawkins 7. Michalczewski 8. May 9. Adolfo 10. Danish

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 01:05 PM) I meant Tigers. Price and Cespedes for Puig. Would the Dodgers do it? I think if I am Dombrowski, I would if he is waving the white flag. No way do the Dodgers do that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 04:24 PM) If you're a Sox fan, you might like him, but the DBacks are much happier with AJ Pollock. But in the end, that's because Pollock is a much better player than Eaton.

Well, big trade in. Sox sell Shawn Haviland to Rockies.

QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 11:18 AM) that will never be. considering what there are paying adam laroche..... True. But it's a sunk cost, and is irrelevant under logical financial thinking, but with the White Sox, it never is. See Beckham and Bonifacio.

Soto should play DH more. Actually, I hope he's traded, but until then, DH

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 10:05 AM) Personally, I doubt they trade Barnes but he'd be a nice get if you could finagle him in a Shark trade. Not sure the Sox are trying to trade for an OF but LA has Crawford/Ethier/Pederson/Puig/Guerrero/Heisey/Enrique Hernandez/Van Slyke with Scott Schebler, last offseason's stat-line prospect evaluator's favorite, doing okay in AAA. You would think Pederson and Crawford are the only locks to stay in that glut. Sox wouldn't (shouldn't) want Eithier, Guerrero, Heisey. That leaves Hernandez (not an everyday player) Van Slyke or Schebler. Schebler is someone they should have tried to trade for last winter, instead of signing the vets. I'd still take him (presuming the scouts think he can hit major league pitching; those western PCL numbers tend to inflate).

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 22, 2015 -> 08:59 AM) Simple question, would you trust two of Saladino/Sanchez/Johnson to plug up 2B/SS for the forsee able future? No, but I would be willing to do that for next year. Still would need a 3B.

Cargo costs $18.5 million per year. Woefully overpaid. How about getting competence at 2b, SS, 3b, C, LF and DH and THEN bring in some heroes.

Heyward had a .735 OPS last year. Gt him and you'll still have Melky at LF, Laroche at DH and no one at 3B. We could fill 3 positions with solid players for that kind of money (assuming the Sox would evaluate talent reasonably accurately, which is admittedly a dubious assumption). Which is why I lean to trading sale if we could get full price.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 09:41 PM) I think he blows. Melky blows and Laroche blows. The great Kenny Hahn winter moves, and they'll bring them back to their starting positions next year. Never give up on a dead veteran. Tonight was a disgrace. Ventura and Cooper should be ashamed of themselves. But they have no shame - the team apparently exists for their comfort.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 10:25 PM) .285/.341/.435 seems like a good pair for elite defense. I'd say he's worth the money. I'd say he isn't with all of the holes on this team. That kind of money needs big production, which he hasn't brought in a while. Too much hero worship in this organization. They needs solid baseball players at multiple positions.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 07:26 PM) I have the weirdest feeling they will go hard after him after just missing out on him last offseason. I am probably incredibly wrong though. Good gracious, Kenny Hahn wanted to rent him too? Madness! Heyward doesn't hit near well enough for the money he will command.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:30 PM) He's not wasting service time. He came up after the deadline. They control him for 6 more seasons after this one. It's fine. he could have come up next year after the deadline. Is he learning his 3rd pitch? Is he learning to gain command? No, he's pitching for the highest odds to get the next man out...so Cooper/Ventura win 76 games instead of 72. No reason to be going through this part of his development in the majors.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) I guess there's no harm letting Rodon gain experience since the team is going nowhere, but it's kind of painful to watch a guy with some talent stink on occasion. They're wasting service time on this nonsense. Poor asset management all the way around. Not only would he preserve service time in Charlotte, he'd get better coaching and would be pitched to develop, not to be better than Noesi.

Hahn should fire Cooper and Ventura tomorrow.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 21, 2015 -> 01:33 PM) Where are we getting the impression that Tyler Flowers is decent? He's labour league average offensively. Bigger problems all over the diamond

The Sox have been loading up with old guys or the last 6+ years....where has that gotten them? Using career stats to project future production of a 35 year old is madness. Selling now (low) may not be the right idea; on the other hand, neither is bringing him back for $10 million.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 10:29 PM) Unless I am reading the rules wrong, there is also the chance that they trade Bonifacio and/or Beckham within 10 days, opening up a spot for Gillaspie to be brought back to Chicago. that could happen, except...who is going to trade for those 2?

Petricka would have little trade value...Ventura/Cooper love him, the throws grounders, but his numbers are terrible. Putnam would have the most value of those realistically could be traded. Strikeout guy. Albers may have some value in another week. I hope the Sox consider moving some of these guys, but they don't sell high, so I doubt it.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jul 20, 2015 -> 07:13 PM) And that's another thing that made it a bad signing. League adjustment, declining stats against lefties, 2nd half worse than his 1st half in 2014 when it's normally the other way around. Sox need to focus on AL players to get more predictable results. The stats were there . Why no one in the front office paid any attention to them is beyond my comprehension. It's not the first time this has happened. I get that prospects are challenging to evaluate, but the this FO can't even evaluate the veterans appropriately.