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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 22, 2015 -> 08:33 AM) I would hate that, this team can't afford to give up Robertson IMO. If you makes Jones the closer, everyone is forced to move up a spot and the entire pen is weaker as a result. The Sox need to find a way to add one of the big OFs without hurting the major league roster. In this scenario, trading Robertson frees up a lot of money. That might make them able to trade him for some young players and sign an outfielder. Who really need Robertson, though? Astros? They've got org. depth out the wazzu. That said, it would shock me if the Sox trade Robertson. That's just not the way they operate when they're going "all in". The push forward; don't nuance with side steps that might make them get even more forward.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:47 PM) Impossible without trading Anderson or Fulmer...they'd probably ask for Anderson AND Adams to open up discussions, knowing Hahn won't deal Anderson/Fulmer together as a package. Enciarte had one good year in the minors; last year he had a high BA in the majors, but didn't walk and showed no power. the Sox treat such players like cheap chattel,and dump them for short term rents; but now they're supposed to trade top prospects for them? The Sox could have traded someone like Q for 3 or 4 Preston Tuckers or Enciartes. Just hope this NL slugger doesn't turn out like all the rest. As for the rotation, they are counting on Danks not to be Danks and for EJ to stick (which he very well may; but then again we've seen this show before) and no injuries. Behind them is zero. I like Gordon for a number or reasons, but his age is a concern. One of the reasons is that he might bring a level of maturity onto this team.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 09:03 AM) Without Cespedes the Mets would of never reached the World Series. They probably would of never reached the Playoffs without him. That being said, I can't help but wonder, why aren't the Mets going to bring him back ? Am I missing something here.? If the White Sox are going to bid on him, why aren't the Mets even bidding on him? Is he a clubhouse cancer? He has been on 4 teams already. Do these 4 teams know something about him that we don't? Good questions. Why did Oak get rid of him for a pitcher they didn't really need? Why did Boston trade him for a 3/4 starter? He's goofy; there were reports he didn't want to play this position or that position. And last year was far and away his best season. Outside of 2015 and his rookie year, there really isn't much special about him. Could be paying a mighty premium for a career year. But if 2015 is his reality, he's worth it.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) Marisnick is a guy that I'd love to have on the Sox. He's young, cheap, and elite defensively. he just can't hit.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 01:36 PM) Whoever we sign needs to play RF to get Avi off the roster. Getting him out of RF and the line-up adds 1.1 WAR right off the bat... Could say basically the same thing about the "proven veteran" Melky.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 10:04 AM) Depends on prices, but I like Austin Jackson. He couldn't hit with Seattle, but is still only 28 or 29. He would be an upgrade. I'd go for that. No Fowler though

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 11:32 AM) I honestly don't care about home road splits. In our best example, with coors, we always hear about the coors effect. While there is number inflation, has anyone been overvalued by coors? Holliday had a great career from coors, Tulo was great, cuddyer, fowler... It's thrown around like this huge insight, but it seems pretty meaningless. OBPs should carry over.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 10:09 AM) Do you look up statistics? In 8 full seasons, Upton's lowest OBP was this year at 336. In 4 years, Cespedes has had an OBP above 336 once, and that was his rookie year. And Upton actually had a higher OBP than Cespedes last year despite having a "down year" and Cespedes "trending upward" Of course I do. My statistics were correct. Upton's OBP has dropped each of the last 4 seasons. I never claimed Cespedes has a good OBP. He's a slugger. His mashing has trended upward. But last year could very well have been a career blip.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:36 AM) Frazier hit 43 doubles and 35 homers, so it appears despite hero worshipping and acquiring him, he could help solve the problem. As long as he doesn't revert to his .634 July OPS, or .656 August OPS, or his .676 September OPS. And let's hope he improves his career.739 OPS away from Cincinnati. And that Trayce's was complete foolsgold.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:32 AM) I also don't get how Justin Upton can't be considered pretty consistent. His OBP has trended downward. Not precipitously. He Ks a lot. Cespedes has been trending upward. But he is more of the slugger type; but he sure can mash it. No QO

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:29 AM) Dude, you are beyond delusional. The 2005 White Sox had solid power or better at almost all positions and hit 200 HRs. I'm not sure how comparing those teams or players are relevant at all. Sure they hit homers...but not with swing and miss low obp sluggers, fawned over hereon. Sox had players across the board who who could hit. They also played impeccable defense and dumped a slugger at a steep discount to shore up his and other positions.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:20 AM) They were last in home runs last year. They needed 3 hits in a row to score one run. Pretty clear why people want a power upgrade. The Sox were also 2nd to last in OBP and 3rd to last in Doubles. Sox had 3 fewer HRs than the Royals...and 40 fewer doubles.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 09:04 AM) A lot of teams don't prefer to use flawed players the way you do Sure they do. They just think they're good when they're really flawed. Heck Melky didn't have that much better year than Avi; but somehow he's a solid #2 hitter, while Avi, in his first full year, is garbage. (not to mention that the cw is that Avi won't take a walk; for this organization, his walk rate isn't terrible and it's better than Melky's was). Laroche had a .697 against right handed pitchers; .383 against lefties (.383!). Tell me, why does the field manager let him hit against lefties?

Why do the Sox need a power hitting OF per se? They have a power 1B and 3B. I think Gordon would complement this team more. They need players to get on base. That would allow them to platoon Melky and Avi (and contrary to cw, Melky wasn't that much better offensively than Avi was last year; he even walks less).

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 20, 2015 -> 08:49 AM) None that is better than Lawrie, unless we get Harper lol. Sox aren't trading Lawrie. Do a 3 way. Sanchez wasn't a problem. Even Don Ventura seemed satisfied. Do some platooning, dare I suggest. I will point out that Avi had a .750 OPS against left handed pitchers. A lot of teams get a lot more mileage out of flawed players than the Sox do.

I wouldn't have an objection if the Brewers price him at the sub .650 OPS that he is.

Flip Lawrie. Do they have a young OF?

The problem with these guys is none give the indication that they will be consistent for the duration or most of the duration of the contract. Gordon seems like he would be the best, but he's not the "slugger" for which Kenny Williams is on his eternal sojourn. (don't remind Kenny that to win the WS he dumped a slugger and shored-up OF defense).

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 12:56 PM) If we get rid of Robertson, we would then be in the market for late-inning relief pitching. As I've said before, if one dude's $12m salary gets in the way of signing a $100m+ player, then JR needs to sell the franchise and get into another line of work. Agree. And, frankly, same with Laroche and his salary. and if you're going to move Robertson, move him when teams were hot for a late inning guy; big prices were paid for those pitchers (albeit the prices were paid in *shudder* prospects).

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) He's being paid pennies though, $8M over 3 years is nothing in this day and age. Even if he declines a bit he'll easily be worth the contract. At this point I'm 90% convinced you've been trolling us this whole time. This can't be a serious post. You got me too. Only a troll would question 8 million for a pitcher who gave up homers at an alarming rate. I'm just not into 81 wins and home run derby like you sages

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:17 AM) You are a parody. Oomph personal attacks. You got me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 09:51 AM) Then again, imperfect young players ceilings are usually mediocre vets. Except for teams that actually win. But the sox were still in it all of last year and Kenny Williams could see a 10 game winning streak right around the corner. Bloody bad luck it never happened.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 10:37 AM) Jerry Crasnick ‏@jcrasnick 16s16 seconds ago Nate Jones has agreed to 3-yr, $8M guaranteed contract with #WhiteSox, sources say. Options included beyond that. How much would he have earned in Arb? Looks like more sentimentality

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 01:38 PM) Would it make sense to package LaRoche with expendable young guys like Avi, Beck, Webb/Putnam? . How exactly are they expendable? Have you seen the bullpen? Have you seen how thin this starting rotation is? Hahn just traded 2 young pitching prospects for 2 more bullpen guys with no control that he hopes "Coop can fix" although Coop hasn't fixed a thing in years. Need all the arms they can get and hope a couple can do something. And I agree with the above. if 1 year of $13 million is a big handicap, what business are they doing signing long term FAs and trading for hero-rents? And at that, he does do one thing well - plays defense (and I know, I know, who needs defense).

I would say neither because it would take away all leverage and flexibility for the future. But what the heck. Kenny Williams is hell bent on an 84 win team so let's get it for him. id vote Gordon but he has a high OBP and is an excellent defender, so I'm sure The Sox will look elsewhere.