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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:54 PM) Id keep an eye on one of those guys that are free agents next year as well. There are a few that fit with what they are trying to do. My understanding is that they're trying to position themselves to compete for many years. It will be interesting to see how rents comport with that...unless they are confident that they can get extensions without them hitting the open market (which I have seen only once, and that was Garcia who had an in house connection).

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:23 PM) a player has 1 bad year and he's pretty much dead to this board. Bruce had a fairly serious knee injury and it affected him all year. You can't just pretend like the guy didn't have an OPS above .800 the 3 years before last. If he was 34 it would be a serious concern, but he's freaking 27 and people are saying things like "deteriorate and decline"? There is such a thing as a down year. he's a good hitter. That's all. And he has the same weaknesses that have plagued the Sox for years (not good OBP; Ks a lot). And it will take the Swisher trade to get him and that was a horrendous overpay even had Swisher performed. He's not worth 2 top prospects when healthy, just like Swisher wasn't. And top prospects remain in short supply with the Sox. Lind had an OPS in the 800s....what did Milwaukee pay for him? What did the Sox get for Carlos Lee and his 850+ OPS? And then there's the injury - he had surgery early last year and did not recover well. That's a huge risk How much should he be discounted because of that? And 2 top prospects is FULL value when healthy, not an injury discount. he's never been an elite ballplayer. The foundation is nowhere near ready to force trades like that.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:49 PM) I'm not against scooping up Ike Davis if the Sox have a platoon in mind, sadly that probably means the platoon would be with Tank. No matter what it must be a platoon because Ike Davis CANNOT hit lefties and makes Gillaspie look good. That would be okay for a cheap stopgap.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:01 PM) We can't fill our whole roster with 5-6 year cost controlled guys, just not possible. And one bad year does not mean he's declining, it means he had one bad year. It doesn't necessarily mean that he is...but it could mean that he is. Why pay top dollar to accept that risk? The price will be as if he's .800 OPS+hitter (esp if Williams is involved). Get melky if we must "go all in" this year (73 win team going all in is another story). And he wasn't that great to begin with...not nearly as great as people act like he was. High K, mediocre obp. boom/bust type. We don't have enough quality cost controlled player right now. Sox need more. Let Detroit flail away for one more year and then we'll pounce.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:54 PM) How is he declining? Exclude 2014 and you honestly feel you can stand by that statement? And i should exclude 2014...why exactly? He's a medicore OBP ballplayer that Ks a lot. You guys act like he has hall of fame skill. He's an equivalent hitter to, say, Swisher when we acquired him (although the strengths/weaknesses are different). He's a Carlos Lee. What team was giving us top prospects for Carlos Lee? Hell, we traded him of a peak year at the same part in his career for a middle reliever and a journeyman CF. Yet, let's go pay 3 times that price today when he's off of a terrible year? The Sox should be trying to get all of the young talent they can get.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:46 PM) Do you throw everyone into the "declining veteran" box? Bruce is 27 years old and had a serious knee injury last year. You can hate on his high K rate, but the dude is not at the point in his career where he should be declining. Maybe he "Shouldn't be", but he is in decline. I do classify them as declining if they are declining, which he is. Clown trades like that are a prime reason why the Sox have 3 playoff appearances in 15 years despite a top 1/3 payroll under Williams' watch. The second we have a decent prospect, got to move them. You guys want to pay top dollar for players off of bad years. It's like giving our top 2 pitching prospects for Edwin Jackson and his 5+ ERA.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) Early. Revisiting talks. Might take Q + Wow - you mean it will only take Quintana and a top prospect to land a high K hitter with a .654 OPS! QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 08:41 PM) Would anybody do Avi, Semien, and Montas for Bruce? The love of declining veterans is getting sillier by the minute. .654 OBP is not good. Nor is 159 strikeouts Hahn would belong in an asylum if he gave Avi or Montas for Bruce, much less both. Spare parts only.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) They're very unlikely to trade Norris, and Vogt or Jaso isn't the type of return we'd be looking for on Alexei. If they're willing to trade Josh Reddick AND Vogt or Jaso for Ramirez, then it becomes at least a more interesting discussion. I could see Reddick/Jaso as the offer. Not including Norris and probably not Vogt since they control his rights for a long time. No Reddick has 2 years and Jaso 1. Youth please.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 06:09 PM) I'd take Hanley Ramirez's impact bat over Sandoval any day of the week. The question is his health...but that's the same as Kung Fu Panda's weight issues next year, or especially 4-5 years down the line. We've seen it with Prince Fielder already. Hanley has actually had health troubles and a lot of them. Sandoval hasn't. Hanley had an impact bat 5 years ago. Today it's good. Sandoval is younger and plays much better D. Plus, I get the sense that Hanley's a "me first" player and I don't think Ventura is very good at handling those types.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 04:43 PM) He got drafted in 2012, so he probably has one more year on that. Obviously, he has a decent shot of being on the 40-man before next November. Just from the standpoint that he'll be competing for the starting 2B job. I didn't realize that Montas was Rule 5 Eligible. He's 21 and rule 5 eligible? I guess that's a downside to the international guys. You sign them at 16 and 5 years starting from 16 isn't that much time so they have to develop quickly.

Melky can hit and doesn't strike out much, but I wish he played decent D. That was a real weak spot on this team. We can trade Alexei and get a good outfielder plus a couple of good a/aa prospects. Sandoval is the position player available, and by far, imo.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 04:14 PM) We can't forget that, as promising as these guys are, there's a VERY good chance that all three of Beck, Danish, and Montas end up as relievers. The latter two, especially, traditonally profile much better in those roles. Not saying we should give up on them, but they aren't the type of guys, IMO, that we avoid long-term SP acquisitions for to avoid blocking them. Danish profiles as a reliever due to his delivery. Montas doesn't profile as a reliever at all, unless the Sox have to rush him on up and devalue their young players. He's 21 years old and his secondary pitches are improving. He may not fully develop, but that's true for any pitcher. But he doesn't profile as a reliever. Actually it scares me a little that he's on the 40 man. I don't think he's rule 5 eligible, and he won't be ready for a rotation spot this year.

It would seem that they need to add Micah Johnson to the 40 man.

Cool article I will point out that had this been written 3 months ago, the Sox longest tree would be a mundane Mike Cameron---->Paul Konerko. I wonder what the longest tree in the major is, including crossing teams.

I'd take a Dodger outfielder if you can get one for basically spare parts. But not for Alexei or a KW type trade for young talent. Melky isn't a good defender, so I'm leery. Signing him would mean we'd have the same poor defensive team.

The Sox have certainly had worse relievers. Good luck Belasario.

well, to me,Mitchell is not a proven dog, and there are some proven dogs on the 40 man

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 02:59 PM) They still have Jared Mitchell, they just cleared him from the 40-man roster. If I'm understanding correctly, he'll be a minor league free agent after this season if he's not re-added to the 40-man roster. There's still time for Buddy's buddy. Well good; I thought he was at his 5 years (if he wasn't , I'm not sure why he was on the 40 man in the first place).

I don't really understand the Mitchell move. He had a very good 2nd half last year and isn't a proven ML failure. The Sox just chased Michael Taylor for 1 year of his services. They keep such luminaries as DeWayne Wise clone Jordan Danks on the 40 man (the Sox are a sentimental organization). They must just not like the guy.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 07:39 PM) He will be helping Hahn put the dream together. Hope not.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 10:56 AM) If you want someone better them danks starting next year right off that bat you will have to put a good amount of money or prospects to get it. If are not happy with danks era and want better then the sox shouldn't have noesi in the 4 rotation either. Look at the teams who made the post season and tell me non of them didn't have a guy with the a era in the 4. Again no one knows when rodon will be available. Beck, Danish and Montas still could be ways away. That's true that the good prospects are at least a year away, but the Sox currently have 3 5th-starters in the rotation and probably another 1 or 2 that could deliver similarly. so they are going to have to sign a #3ish pitcher to be competitive. That would make Danks (or another) expendable. So they should be willing to ship Danks in any number of trades, whether to absorb money, or a change of scenery move (Etheir/Danks) or whatever.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) Rodon should be a starting pitcher with the Sox the moment that he is one of the five best starting pitchers available, regardless of whether that's April 1, June 1, or September 1. Not with him, his agent, and 0% chance to sign him to a control deal. And no wasting him on bullpen duty either.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 19, 2014 -> 04:28 PM) Really want LaRoche, I would sign him to a one year deal with an option for a second. He would really upgrade the team's defense, and he is a left handed bat. Laroche isn't good defensively. Looks like Dunn to me...Lots of Ks, not as many homers or walks, bit better batting average, older (than when we had dunn)

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 07:10 PM) Or they could just make a reasonable offer that Hahn takes because it benefits our team? But it's hard to see who that would include without their top 3 (whom I agree would be an overpay on their part). Zach lee was terrible this year and appears on decline. Chris Anderson has some good (and bad) peripherals and is a long way away. Maybe if they send 5 of these types or way, but nothing really seems to fit. Sox need young player so forget those old outfielders. No one's mentioned Scott Van Slyke - kind of a late-bloomer; not sure what our interest would be, but he looks interesting, although he's no spring chicken himself.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 05:13 PM) I think it's crazy that some fans think the Sox could get Seager for Alexei, which would never happen and others are willing to take Schebler for Alexei. These are two way different ends of the spectrum. The Dodgers really aren't much of a match with the Sox in terms of prospects. Even if they felt inclined to move Pederson, they could get better value of moving him for someone other than Alexei. Looks that way. They have 3 elite prospects who are worth more than Alexei and a bunch of mediocre prospects. Maybe the Sox could add something to pry one of their elites, but I'd doubt it.