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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 06:15 PM) This is one of the solution i can see is alexei going to the A's for samardzija. Their top prospect is a ss but might be still of a couple years away. If the A's dont want to take on the extra salary of Ramirez or prefer younger talent then maybe a three team deal with the mets might help. Ramirez goes to mets, samardzija goes to the sox and prospects back to the A's from the sox and mets. Would maybe help not shedding so much of our prospects. Again, why do people want the Sox to trade for 1 year rent when they are coming off of 73 wins and are trying to build a team? Heck they should take Alexei and give us a prospect. Shark isn't elite.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 04:44 PM) He hit 19 homers at Safeco the year he got his most playing time. Safeco is the worst (or 2nd worst) park in baseball to hit home runs in. The home run hitting environment is very different than it was a few short years ago. 57 players hit 20 home runs this year. In 2009, 87 players hit 20 home runs. yes, and in the year he hit 19 homers, he checked in with a Viciedo-like .306 OBP. Apparently he has to cut back on the power stroke to get on base at an acceptable level. Viciedo had a bad year last year, but most of his years are like Saunders. he also strikes out like Viciedo does. Like I said, Saunders looks like Conor Gillsapie. Saunders is a good player, but not really what is needed in a corner position, unless you have the rest of them covered very well, which the Sox don't. He'd be an upgrade, but nothing to plunge over.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 05:35 PM) The more I think about it, the more I want this kid on the Sox. He fills the lefty bat void that would fit nicely behind or in front of Abreu. Plus, he brings tremendous defense in right field. That mean's 2/3s of the OF would be solidified by a gold glover and a gold glove nominee. I then would sign him to a 6 year 90 million dollar contract. Thoughts? He will be available next year. You are a year early 73 win teams don't trade for rents

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 03:34 PM) Interesting. So the bottom line is DeAza is a better option than anybody we've been discussing. It appeared, at least to me, that De Aza 1/2 a$$ed it a lot. Perhaps simply playing for a contender inspired him. We did sell low on him, although his horrendous start was a big reason; also, I sensed that the Sox wanted him, like Rios the year before (also sold low) simply off the team. Anyway, De Aza certainly does look competitive with the available players...that's a testament to the poor availability of players these days and how the Sox let their org deteriorate for a while.

Just wait until he becomes a FA. No use dealing a top prospect for 1 year of work. And none of these we'll extend him, Richie Zisk style.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) Well, the homers are less, but you'll notice that Saunders actually has a higher SLG. Which really just underscores the issue with Viciedo, which is that he doesn't hit enough to take advantage of his power. He clearly HAS more power than Saunders, but it actually PLAYS lower. yea, some of that can be park related too. Cell's not a double's park; Safeco isn't a homer park. Saunders looks like a Gillaspie type hitter honestly, and kind of marginal for a corner position, but certainly useful. That's a reason why I've wondered if Gillaspie could play a decent LF I would think Hahn might ferret out another Gillaspie - decent player blocked - before going for some of those real bottom feeding FAs that Cameron suggests.

12/36 for Rasmus? I just can't fathom that for that player. Bonifacio has had 1 good offensive season in his career. Signing him is like betting to show. Hard to believe that Chris Young hasn't had a single season with an OPS over .800, but he hasn't. He's been falling apart the last few years. Dpn't see the point. K Morales has had some good years, but only 1 when he was anything special and that was 2009. I can see him for stop gap I guess. All the more reason why you need a vibrant farm system.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 07:31 PM) And from that list....Rasmus, Melky Cabrera, Morse, Torii Hunter, Nelson Cruz and Nick Markakis, good luck choosing from among them. M.Cabrera, Morse, Hunter (even at his age) and Cruz (except for the 2nd half decline) can obviously hit, but then your defense is not taking a step forward. We're building the anti-Royals, a diametrically opposed opposite if we were to trade Alexei. Markakis can sort of hit and sort of field, but not superior by any stretch at either, especially for the price tag. Then you have the Rasmus Enigma. No question, the free agent list for OF is weak this year. Not interested in trading for declining players either. Maybe Hahn find an Eaton-type deal for a young OF.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Is he a good defender? Never really been a fan of his. yea as flawed as Viciedo is, he has power. Saunders has little; needs to make up for it with D, of which Viciedo has little except for his arm. Speaking of which, how do the outfield metrics measure and account for arm strength?

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 01:25 PM) Not Chris Young the pitcher, Chris Young the outfielder. There's a lot to dislike about Rasmus, but there's also a lot that's tantalizing. Can't make up my mind on him. If he ended up with the Sox I think I'd just trust that we did our homework. You know RAsmus is a headcase. I just wonder if he keeps it to himself or if he can infect the clubhouse.

Chris YOung is a fly ball pitcher. Not happening. Edit - I guess he's talking about the CF... doubt that as well. He's correct on the sox needs, but man he's got a lot of players who aren't very good. I mean, Bonnificio? Yikes.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) . Adding a #3 like Samardjzia makes the rotation pretty tough. For 1 year on a team that doesn't figure to contend. meanwhile we sent away 2 of the 3 possible 2nd base candidates plus reserve infield candidates. 1 hole filled for 1 year and others created

And one of the most important aspects, pitch calling, is unmeasurable. From what I've read, Flowers is highly favored in that regard.

NO rents, please. Actually, I would trade Alexei (whom the could use) for Shark plus a top 80 prospect. The As woefully overpaid for Shark. They gave up an elite prospect for him. They can't expect that return back. Compare it to Lester - Lester is the better pitcher, they gave up 1.5 years of a good, but flawed, hitter for him. And a hitter for which there can be no QO and for which there will be no compensation. Value for value, the Lester trade was much better for the As.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 08:35 AM) EDIT: Here's a PERFECT example: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wilmer-flor...-shortstop-yet/ Notice his footwork in the third GIF down. I dare you to watch that and not laugh. I took your dare and you won; that last flop got me. I think the Sox should trade Alexei- he's at peak value, and has almost a perfect contract for the trade market for a player of his age. Now I would insist on a premium; but considering the teams in need, they might get one. He's really the only valuable trade chit the Sox have (among the players they are willing to move). As for Gary Sanchez or other Yankees catching prospects, the Yankees had THREE viable prospects this time last year. They still went out and signed McCann to a 4/5 year deal. That told me a lot about those catcher prospects.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:20 PM) The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez. No. While Gattis wouldn't be cheap it won't cost him either. Gattis is a good hitter, but he's not that great. He's just not what the Sox need anyway. Not good enough for DH; doesn't really man a position with defensive excellence either. It would be sort of like the Swisher trade, which was awful

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 03:49 PM) Yes, but I thought that we have been debating how to use the significant payroll flexibility to fill those holes. I hope we can. Unfortunately, we'll get none out of the FA market, other than a starter (and I'm not sure a mid-tier starter is worth giving that draft pick up). A heyward up this year would be tempting. and V Mart is tempting. I would probably not sign him, but have no real objection if they do.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 06:19 PM) We should go after jason heyward to improve our defense. if only he were a FA....we have the money. Sox are in no position to rent, however.

I don't think he'd be that cheap. 20 homers, still pre arb (although getting in his late 20s - late bloomer I guess). Not sure he can catch 130 games. I think the Sox would have to pay for this guy. Anyway, I'd use the bullets for a LF who can hit and field if that exists and is available.

One aspect that should put the Sox in a stronger bargaining position is that several teams that expect to win need a SS.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 04:54 PM) Ha, both are literally the baseball definition of a spare part. Sanchez is (at this point) a decent utility infielder that has maybe a 1/3 shot to turn into an average MLB middle infielder either at SS or 2B. Hawkins is a B- prospect that hasn't yet played above A ball. You trade those guys 10/10 for an established MLB player like Gonzo. Not saying Gonzo would even be a particularly good target (don't know enough about his injury history or his splits outside Coors) but those guys are by every definition "spare parts" that would be used in a trade like this. Not even close to reality. Hawkins is our number 1 outfield prospect, an easy top 10 in our system, with excellent, albeit unrefined tools, who just had a bounceback season. Nothing about him fits the definition of a spare part. The Sox have no second baseman and may be peddling the SS. Those 2 positions will be divided among 3 players, of whom Sanchez is one. Now it's also true I have little interest in a highly paid player with De Aza numbers away from Coors field who is poor defensively and who has big warning signs indicating sharp decline. He may be iconic to the Rockies, but he's extremely flawed in my eye. The Sox need a good fielding LF who can hit -and that will be the hardest need to fill, no doubt.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 03:55 PM) He made some wild throws due to poor footwork. His hands and range looked good, if not really good. If that's the case, it's something to build on. some more teaching and reps should improve him. Range and arm are there. Not sure he has a bat for 3B though.

The Angels signed owe Hamilton 89 mill/3 years. They'd have to take back at least 60 of that. They'd be better off keeping him and hope for a rebound. He always looked like a lazy ballplayer to me, even when he was good.

Too much. Hawkins is hardly a spare part. Neither is Sanchez

Red Sox are another team with an excess of declining outfielders