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Flowers also had a much improved 2nd half. Just don't understand the idea of trading young talent for 30+ year olds in their descending arc , esp when there are far bigger holes than C

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 27, 2014 -> 02:28 PM) Why do people still want Alexei traded after we signed LaRoche, which is a clear "win now" move? How do plan to contend by creating a hole at SS? I'm curious how people could think that would work. They aren't in a win now mode. They are in a we don't want totally suck now mode. Alexis window is 2015 and 2016. Sox best window not starting this year. He's the only trading chit they have that won't interfere with the real window. Thus trade him for the best group of Young players they can.

HOlt is probably the guy they'd like to keep. He's certainly not a priority in moving considering they have challenges like Victorino (aging and injured), Craig (terrible year; big contract; poor defensively) and 1 year of Cespedes they'd like to move. And let's not help them out with any of this. Anyway, I wouldn't give much for a utility player anyway.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 07:55 AM) Which report was that? Did we report something on Rondon regarding this? Want to make sure we fix it if needed. Sorry, it was the minor league guy on southside sox, not future sox. http://www.southsidesox.com/minors/2014/8/...league-baseball

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 09:31 PM) We THINK Semien is capable of that but a sure way to upgrade is to get 1 or 2 WAR from reserves and getting rid of negative WAR players ( Viciedo). The Red Sox would be wise to sell high on him. He may never approach what he did last year again but I'd like to find out with him in a White Sox uniform . A crowded OF is exactly how the Sox grabbed Eaton and it now applies in Boston. He won't get a chance to start in Boston and at his age (26) he should be given a chance to find out if he is legit. http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/69622576/v344...riple/?c_id=mlb Single off Danks that Eaton missed a shoestring catch that turned it into a triple. Well, it's not like Holt is much himself. He hit 4 homers in 449 plate appearances and checked in with a marginal .711 OPS. He is basically an infielder (and we're full) although he can play OF and he was never a top prospect. He's got nowhere near Eaton's credentials as a prospect. I wouldn't be interested in him unless he could be a full time player (we have enough 4th outfielders, 5th infielders and all of that) and I'm not sure he can be with that offense. He may be at top value but it isn't that high. He shouldn't cost much - although neither should any of those excess Red Sox outfielders. As I said repeatedly, I'd rather use Alexei to get a real long-term outfield solution.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 09:07 PM) The Fangraphs hilites were all on D plus that 2 War has to mean he had some defensive prowess also . Looks like he was best at SS and RF but since he played so many positions getting a grasp on his D is difficult. But is he the player from the 1st half or the 2nd half when pitchers probably made adjustments to him ? He had never played OF prior to his use by the Red Sox. I'm not all that interested in a jack of all trades. Semien can do that. But if he can play a full time outfield, a young OF like him is what I think the Sox need. They can be had cheap, could develop, as the Sox build.

HOlt's kind of interesting -how's his D? I'd take a flyer on Bradley Jr too. However a)I don't think he comes that cheap and b)the odds are he's another Danks/Wise and I've had enough of that.

Won't give up a second round pick, but will give up quality prospect(s) for a 1 year player?

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 06:03 PM) Shack, I understand your perspective, I really do, but no matter what trade offers are out there they most likely wouldn't be in the Sox favor. Agree. No one will give for Sale what he's worth in prospects, which I figure are 1 top 10, 2 other top 30s, 2 other top 100s and 2 interesting A ball prospects. I'm not sure any team has that and, if they do, they won't give it. And I wouldn't either. No one will give his value.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 06:13 PM) no, give up who and can the sox get actual value from that trade. I can't think of a reason why they can't get actual value. I would think that, considering the market, that they would get plus value. Good prospects are currency, so I consider that value. and it's not like the Sale situation where if you traded him and the prospects crapped out, you've really messed yourself up.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 05:42 PM) I can see that positional players may be on the agenda come next draft. Yep. Yet another reason to trade...

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 04:49 PM) LaRoche seems like a perfectly sensible cleanup hitter to me. Abreu would be more ideal but LaRoche is definitely the 2nd best choice on the team, and Ventura prefers Abreu hitting 3rd. Yes he does; don't know why, other than there is no 3 hitter on the team. LaRoche is bad against lefties....not great for a 4 hole hitter. We've had to deal with that from Dunn for years (although we expect Laroche to hit a lot better than Dunn).

Nothing special about Carroll. Thing about Wilkins is that, while he's unlikely to hit in the majors, he could, and it would be at a higher level than Carroll pitches. Plus, there are no hitters on the 40 other than the Major League starters. And presuming that report on future sox was wrong about Rondon, the Sox don't seem to have much Rule 5 vulnerability.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 04:46 PM) the problem with the Mets is they are overvaluing their players / prospects. I'm sure they are. Mets really don't have anything to offer that wouldn't be completely laughed at except prospects other than that one injured so-so pitcher. The Dodgers can at least have spare parts outfielders that they can throw out there and try to wait out Hahn and hope he has a brain fog at some point. I hope the Sox take care of the OF fairly quickly - that might improve their bargaining position with the dodgers.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 04:22 PM) "Ideally" ain't going to happen, I think. There will likely be one more regular bat acquired, not 2 or 3, imo. The 2nd could be a catching upgrade for Flowers, I suppose. They're really counting on the development of, Avi, which may be the key the whole season. Like you, hoping that the offense gets another nice addition soon, but only expecting one, and hoping it's a lefty/switch OF. Resources still needed elsewhere. I agree with you that ideally isn't going to happen, which (along with the continued lackluster team defense and rotation holes) is why I don't see the Sox as serious contenders next year and, thus, want to trade Alexei for young players. In the meantime, I wouldn't mind seeing a little more platooning of the guys won can't hit lefties. And Laroche doesn't really frame as a cleanup hitter to me.

Ideally, Laroche would be hitting 7th and Abreu 4th. We need a couple of more hitters for that (like a 2 and a 3 hitter).

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) Sox might be looking to find someone with a little more upside for the last pitcher on the roster in '15. I think that's true - that's why guys like Cleto are still around. Still, they keep around position players that have very little upside.

It's kind of funny to read though. People ask that guy questions as if he's the real deal.

It's a fake twitter account.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 10:13 AM) Do you really want Ethier now, after we just added a left handed hitter who rakes against RH pitching but who can't hit lefties? No It makes the team too one-dimensional. Add Gillaspie to the can't hit lefties column. Now if you can add a real RH who can hit, that might be okay. But Ethier should basically come for picking up some salary. Even danks is too much to give.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 01:37 PM) Loved Carroll's backstory, and I loved getting to help him edit the post he wrote for FutureSox. He's good people, and I'd say the Sox would love to keep him if no one picks him up on waivers. They still might. He'll be on waivers for a while - this wasn't an outright assignment (yet). Strategically, why waive instead of an outright assignment?

The White Sox, from one angle, are in a great position with 2 superstars (teams better than us don't have that) plus 2 really good young players in Eaton and Q. What the Sox lack are solid league average or above players at 3B, OF, 2B, 2 starter spots, and on the bench. We are the inverse of the Royals...they are solid across the board, with no stars. Why are the Sox so poor at so many positions? Simple - lousy farm system. Poor drafting and ineffective development. There's not an outfielder in the system that you could even contemplate competing for real playing time this year. There are no farm pitchers, YET, who can be anything more than 5th starters next year. Solution? Keep building the farm - don't trade it. Trade Alexei - he's the guy the Sox need to trade. We don't have a 2 year window - we have 5 year window that is just beginning. He won't be here in the prime of it. Move him for young players, prospects or emerging young hitters or pitchers. That 1 sure contender (Dodgers) and 1 putative contender (Mets) are in dire need, should maximize our return. Otherwise, sign 1 starter, and get a LF (non-platoon). Guys like Gillaspie could be a useful piece to the team, especially if he can play OF. He can spell at various positions, play some DH, etc. Trading Sale shifts the window forward at least 3 years, if not more.

Surprised. I would have DFAd one of the low ceiling 5th outfielders that can't hit that the Sox seem to love. Carroll is effective if he can keep the ball down

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 08:17 PM) Hochevar/Rasmus/Volquez No matter who they get, there will be polarized opinions and no player/acquisition will be universally-praised. And I'm 100% ready to turn the page on Danks and try Ethier as well...rather than having to trade, say, Micah Johnson and Beck/Bassit for two years of Josh Reddick, for example. I'd rather none of the above. (I'd be okay with Danks/Ethier if the Sox didn't already have 2 lefties that can't hit righties pencilled in the lineup). Use Alexei to bring the OF in here. We can get a younger Reddick + for Alexei.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 24, 2014 -> 08:03 PM) That post was purely to stir people up. Nothing more. The post, labelled "I WISH" this guy was Met's GM was meant to bring a little levity into the joint. And to point out, using a hyperbolic tweet, that the Sox are in strong position with Alexei. Now back to our regularly scheduled broadcast of which overrated rent can we unload the farm for.