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Wow on the rumor... and Steve shut up about Adrian being better than Miggy please. K thanks.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:33 AM) Um, can I get atleast one vote for Nolan Reimold, or do the Orioles no longer count as a major league baseball team? The fact that Nolan Reimold didn't get a single vote is absurd. Of course, most people don't realize the offensive season Reimold had, but that's OK, I suppose. The dude did his best to out-OPS everyone on the entire White Sox roster, and he got close to doing so. He had a great season, and I imagine only a few diehard baseball fans here even know who he is. Great call Blake. I actually forgot about him after he went down with that season ending injury. I thought Beckham had it locked up till he struggled a bit late. Reimold, though about 30 fewer at bats, outperformed him. Hell even though he won't win it, if Andrus is considered especially cause of his position, I would think a catcher like Matt Wieters (.288/.340/.412/.752) would get some consideration (at least) as well.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 06:03 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4651324 Wow, no love for Beckham or Niemann, that's pretty rough since I believe the statistics would have Gordo as top hitter and Niemann as top pitcher. Yea which is utterly stupid. Now if Beckham winds up losing I hope it's for either Niemann or Anderson as I feel both guys are also as deserving though Porcello is also as up there with Anderson too. Gordo also changing positions from a natural SS to 3B basically learning on the fly from never playing there, could perhaps sway the vote for him as well. Now I don't think Andrus should or would get it anyways even though he is a good defensive SS, just doesn't have the numbers and I remember some analyst commenting about Porcello and only starting more against NL teams in interleague and hardly in the AL East. And unless a reliever puts up 03 Eric Gagne numbers in a season (meh.. may be alittle harsh on my part there) OR if there's no other candidates to even consider (Huston Street won it in 05 over Cano whose rookie season [.297/.320/.458/.778] wasn't that great, though he did do it in NY and Jonny Gomes SHOULD had won it though not hitting the 350 abs mark might have hurt him) I never feel a reliever (in this case Bailey) should win the award. But that's my two cents.

QUOTE (Felix @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 09:18 PM) I probably should have had Radiohead in my top 20, but I just forgot about them. I go through periods where I listen to them fairly often and others where I never listen to them at all, and it just turns out that this is one of the periods where I never listen to them Yea I couldn't believe I forgot Pearl Jam. It's gonna be one of those list when most posters will probably say "how the hell did I forgot that band" when the full list is up.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 08:39 PM) Brady is just paddling the Colts. Doesn't hurt when the Colts entire secondary is beat up and they are starting two rookie corners.

Broncos with their third straight loss. Are they still one of the elite teams Kev? I knew that team was vastly overrated. In fact.. they should either be 5-4 or 4-5 right now if it wasn't for miracle events. The Bengals are way more legit in my eyes than the Broncos.

Theres a strong rumor going around that Kane and Toews are real close to signing long term extensions, and they expect announcements as early as next week.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 14, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) What has Elton Brand become? A man trying to find himself... with a new offensive attack, (Princeton) not enough plays run in the post, benched in the 4th quarter(s), and playing with mostly athletes instead of basketball players.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 09:32 AM) huh? Edit: Never mind, found what you were talking about: I hate LeBron as a person, and I'm not buying that bulls***. Its funny I mentioned that a couple years ago he'd be overshadowed because of #23 and now he wants to change it in his FA year when New Jersey, New York, Miami and Chicago all have it retired? Go f*** yourself LeBron, the person.. but LeBron the player.... you can play here. Bulls and 76ers tonight should be a good game. Noah is making me excited to see him play.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 14, 2009 -> 05:07 PM) If our backup options are some version of Torres, perhaps Marquez et al., and Mr. "Offday"...it might be manageable...but if you're going to gamble on that, you better have a really good offense to bail you out if the worst case scenario hits. Defense too. Ely will probably be in the mix as well if he pitches as well in AAA like he did in AA.

I don't get why people are arguing Rios vs Crawford as far as position. Crawford is a superior LF defensively. That's where he belongs and where he fits comfortably.

QUOTE (The Beast @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 11:57 PM) Where are you going to school and what for? There's a lot of nice accelerated degree programs within the chicagoland area. Still undecided of the school as of now and even if I want to go in the spring or summer (I know.. gotta make up my mind quick) but more than likely.. Criminal Justice will be my field. QUOTE (qwerty @ Nov 14, 2009 -> 01:47 AM) Such could be debated. Seriously though, ace is not that dumb. Oh why thank you A.J. That means alot comming from you.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 10:39 PM) We won't. It would cost us $6.5 million + next year minimum to offer him arbitration, unless he signs with somewhere else first. That's 2-3 times the amount you'd pay for him right now otherwise. Offer him arbitration and Viciedo is our DH next year, potentially. It's 6.5? Coulda sworn it was lower.. If that's the case.. then yea, the sox probably won't unless Jenks and/or Linebrink are traded. Or they can always go the OCab route, and tell him they don't want him back and just decline it. EDIT: Your right Balta.. six mil actually, though can't he get only 5 mil if the two sides compromise?

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 11:05 AM) I wish college wasn't so required these days. I just am not a school person. Always tested very high on tests and am very intelligent but I hate the school setting. I would much rather work. This is probably why I am in year number 6 of college and still have no passion or desire to go into anything. Ditto. I actually commend you for going at least. I personally didn't want to try it and be stuck deep in the negative in terms of credit not to mention I hate school (you were probably alot better in grades than I was, I was more of the popular bad dude). I'm thinking about going to college in 2010 though after a near five year lay-off since now I know the field I'm probably going to go into at least.

Jeter's next movie.

Ummm.. yea if anyone told me that the Hawks would go into Boston Garden and not only win, but hold the Celtics to 86 points.. I would have laughed in your face.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 08:01 PM) Jesus does Toronto suck. I know their record is bad, but this is the first time I have seen them this year. Phil Kessel is a stud though. I actually remember him last year.. Wasn't he on Boston or Pittsburgh? Good find/trade by the front office.

QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 07:39 PM) Offer Dotel arbitration and sign Thome dirt cheap. We are in a very good spot IMO on Dotel. Worst or Best (different view for some posters) case scenario, he accepts and he's another good veteran arm in the pen. Or.. he can decline it and we'd have a sup. pick comming to us. IMO personally... it's a win-win. The spect lover in me though hopes he declines, but I could definitely see Dotel accepting if he really likes the guys and the overall team here. I still like Dotel with us in the pen alot.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 04:22 PM) SA, the problem with waiting for Joey Votto or whomever the next stud who prices him out of his team's payroll is that we will be a year older. Joey Votto won't help us in 2010. Mark would be a year older. JP would be a year closer to leaving. Danks, Floyd, and Q will be getting more expensive, etc., etc. I agree with KHP....we need a sense of urgency while we have this rotation locked up and still in their primes. Obviously we don't want to be stupid about anything, but our time is now - 2010 - 2012 in my mind. All of those players you listed minus Buehrle are in their primes, Floyd is locked up, Peavy will be here for years, so only Danks/Quentin your talking about a raise with Konerko, A.J., etc.. all comming off the books in 2010. I do agree that we shouldn't do anything stupid as well, so we won't see any 7-1 deals anytime soon, but I understand that Adrian will be part of our core for at least 2 years. But i also don't feel we have a specific window. KW has done a wonderful job at not only keeping us competitive now, but for a very long time with youth guys now and up and comming (Beckham, Flowers, etc..) and as KHP eluted to, who knows how anything will be 3-4 years from now. KW has the chips for the deck that's for sure. I'd say we have a decent percentage of landing Adrian, not great and not bad. Now I will leave it the way it is, as now it's going from good stuff in here, to beating the dead horse.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 04:11 PM) Trudged through several parts of the first one but haven't seen it all the way through in 1 sitting. Understandable in my eyes.

He's definitely going to dip in some areas, and he will be a monster in other areas. That was a good find once again by qwerty and generally shack I agree with what your saying and KHP. At the end of the day. if we get Adrian, my god I would be giddy, and if we don't then hey.. next year when Joey Votto is available, I hope we go after him hard or two years from now, if another 1B emerges, or whatever FA same.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 13, 2009 -> 01:29 AM) I think he realizes the position scarcity argument. Certainly GB is more valuable with his offensive production at 2b as compared to 3b, because his production will be greater relative to other 2b than it will be to other 3b. However, the real question is where do you draw the line? Is a .950 OPS 1b less valuable than a .800 OPS 2b? At some point, a team can only afford to put 9 guys on the lineup card, and the runs the 1b knocks in count just as much as those that the 2b knocks in. The question is, where is that line drawn? In the case of AGon, I think he far exceeds that line. His value as a young, productive, cheap run producer is great enough that the position scarcity argument doesn't really come into play. Ya I know what your saying here as well, but let's not pretend Adrian has done this alot. He put up a .950 OPS just this past year, on a s***ty SD team, with no help in that lineup. He'll be comming to a superior AL league, he won't get pitched around as much and he probably won't walk nearly as much. I would still take his career numbers on this team, but he's not Albert Pujols or even a young freak like Miguel Cabrera was (check that... still is) when he was traded to the AL putting up the godly numbers he did with the Marlins even with Hanley on that team. Not counting his rookie year, his first year in the AL he put up a .292/.349/.537/.887 which was a "bad" season for him playing 1B. Adrian will no doubt have to adjust, though his power is very real. You can find more solid 1B, DH, 3B etc.. in a FA market or a trade then you can 2B, SS, CF, barring Bora$ in our instance to solidify your overall lineup. You would see a Joey Votto for example in a trade rumor long before you'd see a Troy Tulowitski contracts aside. If we have a damn good 2B/SS and a damn good CF, I'll definitely take a solid/serviceable 3B/1B especially if your overall pitching is right. I'm just glad Adrian has a good glove which always helps especially to put Konerko at DH or trade bait.

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QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 11:57 PM) Agree. AGon is a different kind of monster, and the idea that because he plays 1B he should not be valued as one of the most valuable players in baseball - which is exactly what he is - is absurd. Two years of Gonzalez costs $10.25M. That's less than Konerko makes next year and less than Linebrink makes over the next two. John Danks will probably make more than that in total through arb, same with Quentin. Gonzalez would be one of the cheapest regulars on our team and he'd be putting up MVP numbers, and yet he's supposed to have more diminished value because of this 1B nonsense. You might not like it, but that's the world of value in baseball economics especially at one of the easiest positions to fill as far a position player. No doubt Adrian is a beast and will be a tough sign in FA regardless in a couple years, but lets not even think about that for a second. I'll say an example and I still love the move the sox did here in the long run.. lets say years from now the sox want to trade Gordon Beckham. We'll say on "average" he puts up a .290/.350/.440/.800 line. You don't think the sox would get way more in terms of value at 2B than they would if he was playing 3B especially with those numbers? Sure some GMs would ask for more than what they should get (see Balt. GM/Brian Roberts) but some of the potential deals going through are way easier to see for a guy playing more up the middle or the outfield. (mostly CF) Utley would net more of a ransom more so than say.. a Kevin Youkilis (1B Youk) IMO. BTW.. I'll put every dime I got, barring an unforeseen extension, (which I highly doubt, though you never know) Joey Votto will be traded next year even though he's still in arb. I still believe the Reds will be having financial problems (stadium issues?) after this year. They need a s***load of buyouts and bargains in the market.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 11:48 PM) Or teaching him how to spell... Eh.. I prefer my slang or abbreviated terminologies alot more.