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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) BJ Upton's offensive upside is not .300/.350. It's not even close to that. In 2008 he put up .273/.383/.401/.784. In 07 he put up .300/.386/.508/.894. BJ Upton's upside is to the friggin moon. If he hits what he's capable of hitting, he's a .850-.900 OPS bat that would be good enough to hit cleanup in some teams' lineups, and he'd be hitting leadoff here. His split stats last year are similar to Randy Winn, but he's also more than 10 years younger than Randy Winn too. Randy Winn is falling off and is going to be a 4th outfielder or retired within the next 2-3 years whereas Upton still has the capability of being one of the top 10 players in all of baseball. I agree Upton has alot more potential and is younger. But Winn will cost you $2M less and no prospects.

I think the Sox are just more financially responsible. If you think at all the money that is thrown around, what percentage of contracts actually end up favoring the team and not the player: Chan Ho Park Darren Dreifort Kevin Brown Mike Hampton Denny Neagle Barry Zito Javier Vazquez (when he signed with NYY) Carl Pavano Bobby Higginson Magglio Ordonez (he was good but isn't worth what he's making now) This is just to name a few. I'm glad we don't get into the bidding wars and end up with a contract that limits our flexibility long term. Also, spending money doesn't guarantee you to win anything. Just look at the Yankees. Top payroll in baseball for I don't know how long and they won their first world series in like 5 years. Our payroll in 2005 was in the $70's and we won it all. We have since spent more money and we've been under .500 twice.

I posted on thesportingnews.com yesterday that I think Hoyer should try and extend Gonzalez. Accelerate his salary. Instead of $5M the next couple years he gets 2010 $15M 2011 $15M 2012 $20M 2013 $20M 2014 $25M He's a franchise player and those don't come around that often. You would strengthen your fan base too. SD fans probably hate the thought of trading him even if it means good players in return. If Hoyer does trade him I would ask for Lester and Buckholz. They want one of my best young players? They have to give me one of theirs.

I think KW made this move to match the Lackey/Cameron signing and the Lee/Halladay trade

Not sure if this was posted yet: http://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/archives/...erre_trade.html KW:

Hanley Ramirez for Alexei, Hudson and Morel.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 08:48 PM) KW may as well go ahead and pull the trigger and bring Prince in. That would be sweet.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 09:49 PM) Eric Byrnes 1. Former Moneyball Player 2. Has Swagger

Eric Byrnes

I still want Randy Winn. Pierre Winn Beckham Quentin Konerko Pierzynski Rios Ramirez Teahen

QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:02 PM) I just love transactions in the off season. Me too I can't stay off MLBTR, fan-exchange.com or SoxTalk.com for 5 mins.

I think Winn could come close to matching Upton's offensive upside .300/.350. And he wouldn't cost our two best prospects. He'd be a stop gap until Danks or Mitchell are ready.

I wouldn't want Lidge. I watched him pitch in the WS and I think Jenks still has better stuff. The only way I would consider it is if we got a prospect in return that we used to make a bigger splash, Adrian Gonzalez.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 13, 2009 -> 03:57 AM) It's amazing KW is able to trade away as many prospects as he does. At this point, why would any GM even look at a White Sox prospect, let alone trade for one? BA is doing a top 10 prospects of the decade for each team. I can't wait to see ours. It's going to be Beckham and a bunch of raw sewage. You can say that about alot of prospect in alot of organizations. Remember how expensive Todd VanPoppel's Gold Leaf rookies was? He was going to be the next Nolan Ryan. I remember Mets fans posting on MLBTR how Humber and Milledge were untouchable, how did they turn out?

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 9, 2009 -> 12:54 AM) UPDATED VERSION [12.08.09] (CLICK FOR FULL SIZE) Added Mark Teahen's new deal Where do you get the values for service time?

QUOTE (qwerty @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 01:03 AM) The contract was negotiated before the season began, his salary ($402,500) would have remained the same if he never played a game in the majors this season. The sox would have to pick up the entire contract regardless. This should answer your question. Sweet thanks!

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I likey. Now trade Linebrink for Gardner. Putz video highlights http://mlb.mlb.com/search/media.jsp?text=p...amp;x=0&y=0

I like this deal. I think Teahen is good for 20hr and 80rbi, which is worth $5mil/year to me.

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I'm fine with it if he tears it up in spring training. We'll definitely need a plan B if he doesn't continue his success.

Nice pickup. They lose their 20th draft pick but should make up for it when Gonzalez and Soriano sign somewhere. Unless they accept arbitration. http://www.fan-exchange.com/mlb/transactio...ansactionid=256

What do pre-arbitration players make? Is there a wage scale?

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 11:31 PM) Here's a list of most of the bad contracts in baseball. I left off bad deals that teams obviously aren't going to want to trade, like Torii Hunter, Jeter, etc. as well as bad deals where the trading team has already eaten a large portion of salary, making the deal no longer a bad one (like Lugo for example). Of what is here, is there anything that makes sense for the Sox with Linebrink and Paulie? Is there anything that makes sense for another team? Some of these deals are better than others, but feel free to mix and match because they all suck. C: Jorge Posada 10:$13.1M, 11:$13.1M Chris Snyder 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.75M, 12:$6.75M club option ($0.75M buyout) 1B/DH: Travis Hafner 10:$11.5M, 11:$13M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M club option ($2.75M buyout) Todd Helton 10:$16.6M/year, 11:$19.1M, 12:$23M club option ($4.6M buyout) Paul Konerko 10: $12M Mike Lowell 10:$12M David Ortiz 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.5M club option (no buyout) Lyle Overbay 10:$7M 2B/SS: Luis Castillo 10:$6M, 11:$6M Mark Ellis 10:$5.5M, 11:$6M club option ($0.5M buyout) Christian Guzman 10:$8M Edgar Renteria 10:$9M, 11:$10.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) 3B: Eric Chavez 10:$12M, 11:$12.5M club option ($3M buyout) Brandon Inge 10:$6.6M Michael Young 10-13:$16M annually (total of $15M deferred) OF: Milton Bradley 10:$9M, 11:$12M Pat Burrell 10:$9M Eric Byrnes 10:$11M JD Drew 10:$14M, 11:$14M Kosuke Fukudome 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Carlos Guillen 10:$13M, 11:$13M Jose Guillen 10:$12M Carlos Lee 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$18.5M Gary Matthews Jr 10:$11M, 11:$12M Magglio Ordonez 10:$18M club option ($3M buyout), 11:$15M club option (no buyout) Juan Pierre 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M Manny Ramirez 10:$20M (voidable) Aaron Rowand 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M Alfonso Soriano 10-14:$18M annually Nick Swisher 10:$6.75M, 11:$9M, 12:$10.25M club option ($1M buyout) Willy Taveras 10:$4M Vernon Wells 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M Chris Young 10:$3.25M, 11:$5M, 12:$7M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$11M club option ($1.5M buyout) SP: Bronson Arroyo 10:$11M, 11:$11M club option ($2M buyout) Jeremy Bonderman 10:$12.5M Aaron Cook 10:$9M, 11:$9.25M, 12:$11M mutual option ($0.5M buyout) Ryan Dempster 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Aaron Harang 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout) Kyle Lohse 10:$8.875M, 11:$11.875M, 12:$11.875M Derek Lowe 10:$15M, 11:$15M, 12:$15M Kevin Millwood 10:$12M Jamie Moyer 10:$6.5M Oliver Perez 10:$12M, 11:$12M Nate Robertson 10:$10M Ervin Santana 10:$6M, 11:$8M, 12:$11.2M, 13:$13M club option ($1M buyout) Carlos Silva 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12M mutual option ($2M buyout) Jeff Suppan 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M club option ($2M buyout) Jake Westbrook 10:$11M Dontrelle Willis 10:$12M Carlos Zambrano 10:$17.875M, 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option Barry Zito 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout) RP: Francisco Cordero 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M club option ($1M buyout) Kyle Farnsworth 10:$4.5M, 11:$5.25M club option ($0.5M buyout) Brad Lidge 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) Scott Linebrink 10:$5M, 11:$5.5M Damaso Marte 10:$4M, 11:$4M, 12:$4M club option ($0.25M buyout) David Riske 09:$4.25M, 10:$4.5M, 11:$4.75M club option ($0.25M buyout) JC Romero 10:$4M, 11:$4.5M club option ($0.25M buyout) Kerry Wood 10:$10.5M, 11:$11M club option I'm willing to bet KW is trying to get Byrnes. 1. KW and Josh Byrnes have traded alot in the past 2. Eric Byrnes is a former Moneyball Player 3. He's a grinder. I prefer to keep Linebrink. I think he'll turn it around. I think we'd have to dump Jenks or Konerko in order to afford Byrnes.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 26, 2009 -> 03:56 PM) We've missed the playoffs 3 of the last 4 years ( two of those years being sub .500). And thank god that kid called heads (I think it was heads) when determining who would get homefield in the event of a tiebreaker game (I think it's safe to assume we get slaughtered if we have to play the tiebreaker game in Minny). I give Kenny all the credit in the world for putting the '05 team together. And I think he's a good GM. But I wouldn't say he's kept us around the top. We missed the playoffs but KW has put together good teams IMO. The players just haven't come through. I personally love KW as our GM and would hate to see him go.