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Edwin Jackson Megathread...
QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 14, 2010 -> 03:13 PM) This post is spot on. Most of us seem to forget that we were right in the middle of a race with the twins for the AL Central crown and a trip to the playoffs when Jackson was acquired. I for one, felt a lot better with a proven veteran like Jackson going in a big game than I would have felt about an unproven youngster that could have poo pooed on the mound in that big game. Plus Coop has probably forgotten more about pitching than any of us could ever know, and HE wanted Jackson. In Coop I trust. Agreed. People also forget that Kenny wasn't just planning to acquire Jackson, that he intended to flip him and that didn't happen. It is what it is. I'm looking forward to him pitching in 2011.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 12, 2010 -> 03:10 AM) is it March yet Patience. Remember, it was about this time last year that KW landed the new face of the franchise, Mark Teahen.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
James Loney
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
Travis Hafner
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (WsoxKillCubs @ Oct 8, 2010 -> 04:34 AM) I think trading Danks for a big name bat is a decent idea... We have Sale that could fit in the 5th spot nicely, and Freddy can be backup. If Danks and some prospects can get a guy like Fielder, and leave the Sox with enough money to keep Konerko, that would be great. As much as I love Danks, I think we ought to give Sale a shot and get a more solid offense. In a perfect world, the Sox only trade Teahen (prospects), and raise the salary to $130M.... If I traded Danks I want a player in return that I have control of for at least two years, if not more. We'd have Fielder for 1 year, though I suppose we'd get draft picks once he signed after next year.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 10:38 PM) They'd have to be blown away to deal him. He's still cheap and under control for two more years. He's only 26 and even though he's underachieved his skill-set, in particular his speed/defense, is rivaled by very few in baseball. And his power picked up considerably towards the end of the year. I'd kill for either him or Kemp. These are the kinda guys you take major gambles on. The possible reward far outweighs the risk. I could see them interested if they got Quentin in return. I think they are both at the same point of arbitration and Tampa Bay needs a middle of the order run producer. This could be a trade of under achievers.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 06:28 PM) This was suppose to be the strength of the team. They failed. If you need more offense, that means the staff is bad and in 2010 they were. Didn't the "ace" start 0-3? "Are Bad" and "Do Bad" are two different things. They did bad but I don't think they are bad.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 7, 2010 -> 05:21 AM) Drafting and developing talent is the best way to build your franchise up to a contender, and the White Sox haven't done that well. You can't blame Reinsdorf for that, considering Williams and company are the ones who trade them all away. I think they have done that well, they just don't keep the talent around.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:41 PM) Doesn't that sound like Matt Kemp? I suppose. I always thought of him as a #2 or #5 hitter though.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 06:24 PM) I really don't understand why people are so hell bent on spending a ton to get Matt Kemp. He really seems to be the type of player that you are going to get for a good deal or you are going to have to overpay a ridiculous amount to get, and the Sox are obviously not in a position to overpay. Thus, I don't understand why people want to deal Danks or Floyd for him. Beyond that, I also think if you are dealing Danks or Floyd right now, you need to look to acquire 2-3 good players, not 1 potentially great player. The Sox have quite a few holes throughout the team and finding cheap replacements for a few of those guys would not be a bad thing. Agreed. If I'm trading Floyd or Danks I'm getting a #3 or #4 hitter that I have control of for 2-3 years.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
Carlos Beltran anyone? If you get the Mets to eat alot of his salary and he's healthy then I'd take him. Who knows what direction their new GM wants to go.
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (since56 @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 01:38 PM) Are there four really good ones there? IMO, Yes
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Trade Candidates for Kenny this offseason
QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 6, 2010 -> 04:35 AM) Trading from an area of strength like starting pitching is going to open up a weakness. If we trade one of our starters, who fills in? My problem with the staff as is is we need offense and if we make the playoffs not all five starters (assuming Peavy is healthy) would start in the playoffs, but that bat we could have acquired would. If Peavy is healthy then someone gets dealt. If Sale can start then maybe two get dealt. Right now we have these guys that could start: Peavy Buehrle Floyd Danks Jackson Sale Garcia? Pena? Only 4 of them have to be really good. The 5th can be ok or good. But we really need OBP and run production in the middle of our lineup.
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If the Sox don't re-sign Konerko...
QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Oct 3, 2010 -> 11:42 PM) Trade Gavin Floyd for Matt Kemp (RF) Sign Huston Street to close Sign Carlos Pena to split (1B) with Viciedo (vs. LHP) Re-sign Freddy as Peavy return stopgap (#4) Chris Sale starts as a #5 Re-sign AJ (1 year) Re-sign Quentin (1 year) to DH Re-sign Putz Morel is 3B (defensive upgrade) DeAza is 4th OF (speed & defense) Kemp upgrades the OF defense, adds speed and covers typical power production lost from PK exit. Sale steps in as a quality 5th starter until Peavy returns. Once that happens Freddy slots back to #5 and Sale to BP. Carlos Pena is due for a return to mean (.241 career avg.) and may accept a one year recovery contract a la Beltre 2010). Another defensive upgrade. Obviously, it's early and much could happen in the off season as players could re-sign (Pena-TB & Street-Col) plus there is no market, but this is a quick concept about how to significantly upgrade team defense, add speed, a lefty power hitter and improve the bullpen for the full season. Kemp would be nice but is not enough for Floyd IMO. That lineup would still lack the left handed run producer that we need, and Pena would not qualify as he hit under .200. I'd rather have someone that bats .300 and hits 15 HRS (ala Julio Franco) than someone that bats .200 and hits 30 hrs.
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Players who failed when it counts/against the Twins
We stank against the entire central division, not just the Twins. That's why we are watching the playoffs and not playing in them.
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Garcia vs. Pena for 2011 rotation
Pena pitched pretty good again as a starter. Maybe he's a better fit for the rotation. If you have that one bad inning as a reliever your numbers look terrible. If you have that one bad inning as a starter your numbers look great. If Peavy is healthy then we have Peavy, Buehrle, Danks, Floyd, Jackson, Pena and Sale as possible starters. That gives us leverage if we need to trade for a bat(s).
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2010-11 Offseason
I know it probably won't happen but I'd like to see Flowers starting next year. Bat him ninth. He had a low average but I bet he could have a higher OBP and RBI than Pierzynski.
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Quentin
I think we put too much pressure on him to start the season. He had a great season in 2008 and hasn't don't much outside of that. To bat him third and hope he helps carry this team was too much for him. I'd keep him and bat him 6th or 7th. We need a solid left handed bat for 3rd or 4th in the lineup.
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White Sox Acquire Manny Ramirez
Alot of people say baseball isn't an exciting sport but Kenny Williams makes it exciting for Sox fans.
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The Official Run Into Outs Thread
QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 03:14 AM) As a Weaver Ball guy, this team makes me want to put my head through the wall. Ozzie manages against every sabermetric principle in the book. He has no idea how to optimize the potential offensive output of the group of guys he wanted. Ozzie probably has math skills at a 3rd grade level so don't count on him using sabermetrics.
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PTC Friday August 6th, 2010
Quentin
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Does Kenny dare to consider making this trade?
How about DHing Quentin and putting Teahen in RF? He'd hit better than Andruw.
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If we do get back in this. . .
Brad Hawpe?
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If we do get back in this. . .
How about Gavin Floyd for James Loney?
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If we do get back in this. . .
Not that I would want him but Russell Branyan should be available. If we wait a little longer Aramis Ramirez or Derrick Lee could be available. Neither of course is LH.