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Pederson and Ethier for Montas and Ramirez straight up. Sox get their LF and DH (that can play all 3 OF positions). LAD dumps Ethier, unclogs their OF, gets a SS and a prospect with surplus value.

Jake Diekman

If you trade Ramirez, who plays SS?

The only person I'd consider for more than 2 years is Headley. The rest are on the wrong side of 30 or aren't anything special. Martin projects more like a 2 WAR player, which is what Tyler Flowers is. I'd try to find a right handed starter that you can either extend (trade market) or a 1/2 year stop gap via free agency (Peavy, McCarthy, etc). I'd prefer financial flexibility over a free agent gamble. As the Yankees have proven year over year, buying players doesn't translate to winning. They went nuts last year and didn't even make the playoffs.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 12, 2014 -> 12:21 PM) I created this thread about Alvarez. I'd love him as the primary DH next year and he could spell Abreu at 1B from time to time. I'd never trade Quintana for him though. Not a chance. Hopefully they could match up another way. Acquiring a player that only has value at DH or 1B doesn't make much sense to me. I'd much rather see someone that can play 3B/1B/DH (Gillaspie/Davidson) or CA/DH/1B (Victor Martinez) or OF/DH. That provides your team with much more depth and flexibility.

Perspective: Carlos Quentin was a 2WAR player when we traded him. We got jack squat in return. Viciedo and Beckham have negative WARs.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 12:16 PM) Where are you going to play Franklin, with this trade? You're dealing Ramirez as well? Ackley's a natural 2B, but he has been playing LF for the Mariners. Do you honestly want someone who hits like Gordon Beckham playing a corner OF spot? YIKES. Franklin would be fine if he could play SS everyday, but he's probably better suited for 2B or 3B. We have five million 2B prospects, so this whole thing doesn't make much sense. He's kind of like Dan Uggla-Lite. We do have a ton of infield prospects, so you'd have to rely on your scouts to help you determine who you'd rather have at 2B. Use some of those prospects to acquire pitching or catching.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 9, 2014 -> 12:16 PM) Where are you going to play Franklin, with this trade? You're dealing Ramirez as well? Ackley's a natural 2B, but he has been playing LF for the Mariners. Do you honestly want someone who hits like Gordon Beckham playing a corner OF spot? YIKES. Franklin would be fine if he could play SS everyday, but he's probably better suited for 2B or 3B. We have five million 2B prospects, so this whole thing doesn't make much sense. He's kind of like Dan Uggla-Lite. I could be misinterpreting this data, but this is the justification Ackley LF 14.4 UZR/150, Projection: 1.5WAR, 10% BB rate. His offensive WAR projections are close to De Aza and Viciedo. Franklin 2B 53 UZR/150, Projection: 3WAR, 12% BB rate De Aza LF .4 UZR/150, Projection: 2-2.5 WAR 8% BB rate Viciedo RF -13.3 UZR/150, Projection: .5 WAR 6% BB rate Beckham 2B -10.6 UZR/150, Projection: 1 WAR 8% BB rate

I'm intrigued by both Ackley and Franklin. Both have raked in the minors but haven't gotten over that hump in the majors. They both have good BB rates, would be upgrades defensively and would cost less. How about De Aza and Viciedo for Ackley and Franklin? Then ship Beckham to Yankees for Murphy. You could use our infield surplus to try and get a catcher or pitching.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 8, 2014 -> 09:44 AM) They're not going to give you Stroman and Daniel Norris. In all likelihood, you're not even going to get one of those guys. You might get Sanchez, but how does that help the White Sox, exactly? The Blue Jays weren't willing to give up EITHER Stroman or Norris straight up for Samardzijia, let alone both of them. I disagree. I think you could get Sanchez and one of Stroman/Norris for Quintana. Quintana is better than Samardzjia, is 25 vs. 29 and is controlled through 2018. Sox might have to throw in a low level pitching prospect to go back but I think the Jays make that move. If I'm Hahn I wouldn't do it. You know what you are going to get from Quintana and Stroman and Norris are still question marks. The White Sox don't need more un-projectionable players when they have a great duo in Abreu and Sale to build around.

I'd keep Danks. 1. You don't sell low. 2. The Sox wouldn't get much for him and they don't have anyone in the minors to replace him. 3. You aren't going to get much with the money you save and the Sox don't need the money. 4. He's progressively gotten better.

1. Gillaspie. I'd rather have defense than offense at 3B, so I don't want him playing there. 2. Ramirez has reached his peak, so I'd sell on him. 3. I can't stand Beckham. I'd rather see Sanchez, Johnson, Semien at 2B. 4. De Aza is on the wrong side of thirty and we only have 1.5 years left of him so I'd sell. 5. Flowers doesn't make enough contact. Don't want him. 6. Viciedo sucks at offense and defense. Don't want him. I'd focus on increasing BB%, decreasing K%, improving defense and improving starting pitching. 1. Viciedo for Moustakas. Comparable control time. KC needs offense. 2. Ramirez for Carlos Martinez. 3. Davidson & Beck for Grandal. 4. Dunn & De Aza to Mariners for Carson Smith and Ackley 5. Beckham to NYY for Manny Banuelos CF Eaton DH Gillaspie 1B Abreu RF A. Garcia CA Grandal 2B Sanchez 3B Moustakas LF Ackley SS L. Garcia SP Sale SP Shields SP Quintana SP E. Johnson/Rondon/Martinez/Banuelos SP Danks RP Jones RP Webb RP Putnam RP Guerra RP Carroll RP Belasario

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 17, 2014 -> 04:16 AM) I think this all depends on how serious they are about keeping Uribe and Hanley Ramirez around. Remember, they've already sunk $28 million into 2B Alexander Guerrero (Olivo biting victim). And, if you're the Dodgers and you have a $200 million payroll, are you really going to roll the dice on Conor Gillaspie, Marcus Semien, Carlos Sanchez or Micah Johnson to hold down a starting infield position? I sincerely doubt it. That kind of move isn't going to help you make up ground on the Giants. At best, it's lateral. They're going to try to trade you Crawford/Ethier/Kemp and a large subsidy before they give up Pederson. Maybe we eat one of those salaries in order to also acquire Pederson.

Why it might not happen Risk. The high risk, high reward of Tanaka is too much for the Sox to take on right now. If they had less question marks (pretty much everyone but Sale is a question mark), then you could assume some of that risk. This is precisely why the Angels won't pursue him either. Why it could happen Long term commitments. 5 players in 2015, 3 players in 2016 & 2017. Sox have financial flexibility. Buzz. One of the reasons I love this team is they are entertaining. They've created a lot of buzz with the moves they've made so far. Tanaka would just add to it. I think he'd boost attendance a ton every 5 days a well.

Gillaspie and Semien draw more walks than Middlebrooks. Semien can play SS as well. So the two options we have are > Middlebrooks IMO

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 09:13 AM) Where does Viciedo play if you're starting De Aza in LF? I'm not a big Dayan fan, but he has the potential to be a part of the future of this franchise. De Aza on the other hand isn't a part of the future because of his age and contract. Can't take away AB's from Viciedo at this point. Especially since this could/should be his make or break year with the tam. Of our four outfielders, De Aza is the only proven one. Garcia, Viciedo and Eaton all still have something to prove. It would be nice to have one non question mark in our outfield.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 12, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) $ De Aza makes less than he's worth.

1. I like Daniel Murphy but 2B is probably our deepest position from an organizational depth perspective: Beckham, Semein, Garcia, Sanchez can all play that position. 2. I don't know why everyone wants to trade De Aza. I think putting him in LF would improve our defense, putting him in the two whole would improve the top of our lineup. Plus he can drive in runs. Unless it's a no brainer trade, I'm keeping De Aza and Viciedo.

QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 9, 2013 -> 01:14 PM) Santiago for Brown almost makes too much sense. Both players are young with upside, both have significant warts, and both are controllable thru 2017. The Phils need pitching and we need lefty bats. He's a lousy defender but so is our current option. I'd rather have Santiago

How about my other moves?

Sale for Owings, Davidson and Skaggs Reed & Santiago for Lucroy Beckham for Gardner Ramirez for Daniel Murphy Sign Tanaka CF Gardner 2B Murphy C Lucroy 1B Abreu DH Dunn/Konerko RF Garcia 3B Davidson SS Owings LF DeAza SP Quintana SP Tanaka SP Danks SP Johnson SP Skaggs

Gardner for Beckham straight up. They need a 2B. Gardner is better but they get 2 years of Gordon.

I'll take Sox 5 KC 3 http://www.fanpredictions.com/mlb/gamescores.asp?gameid=24 Pick to click: Beckham.

I think everyone assumes you start the season with the players you plan to end the season with and that's not necessarily how it works. Sure we have question marks but we should let things play out and get some of those questions answered with the players we have before we start making huge moves. That being said, play this team as is and assess mid year as to what we need. Our starting pitching is good and should keep us in most ball games. If they can't, we are screwed anyhow. Mid year you'll have most of your questions answered, more players will be available then there are now and the asking price for some will come down.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 24, 2012 -> 10:42 AM) I don't even think the Baltimore trade is realistic. You can talk about Viciedo's future value all you want, but Markakis is a really good hitter. Considering Baltimore just won the Wild Card, they'd need more than Viciedo and a free agent to be Gavin Floyd. Arrietta is a guy that could be acquired, but he's not a major piece either. You are right though. That trade is the closest one to being possible. So if you are Baltimore's GM, what more do you ask for? The other thing you don't mention is Markakis's salary. You are saving money which could be spent elsewhere. You could extend Floyd and shift your strength from RF to SP.