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QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 08:43 PM) Arroyo is a legit prospect. No way Giants give him up for 1 year of Frazier. He's their future 3B. Hit tool is plus. Include Jones then

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) Reed would be worth a gamble in a three of four player package. He entered 2016 as a highly touted prospect but a horrible 48 game stretch at the mlb level has tarnished that quite a bit. Hitting .164 overall and .064 in 17 at bats against lefties is frightening for sure for a guy pegged as a plus hitter. If Musgrove is not in the deal I could see Martes/Tucker/Reed plus one lower level prospect making sense, although Houston might not want to give up on him so quickly I'm not a Reed fan. 1. There is always a supply of 1B in the free agent market. 2. His spray charts (small sample size) show he's a dead pull hitter, which means he'll be subject to shifts. 3. His minor league splits don't look good against LHP. I'd rather have Hernandez since he can play CF and Stubbs (CA), both positions that are hard to fill.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) If the rumored asking price is legit, Musgrove could be the problem We're prepared to trade players to improve our club right now," Luhnow said before departing from the winter meetings Wednesday night. "We're just not prepared to trade away players that are core to our production in 2017, and those are sometimes the players that are required to get these deals done." Musgrove might be holding it up right now but he's easy to work around with Reed, Fisher, Hernandez, Stubbs, Paulino and Perez as alternatives (possibly 2-3 of them). I think Jansen and Turner are the first dominos to fall before Q is moved, as Jones/Robertson/Frazier could be add ins to the deal to get more back.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 9, 2016 -> 01:47 PM) Anything more than Martes, Reed and Tucker would be a big overpay for Houston Reed would likely still be a top #75 prospect right now if ranked We can ask for Reed/Martes/Tucker/Fisher, but no team will gut their farm to that extent Rangers pretty much gutted their minors for Beltran and Lucroy.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 24, 2016 -> 12:09 PM) Don't take everything you see based off of only top 100 prospect rankings. We all know about Mazara. Andy Ibanez is one of the best 2B prospects. Mendez is one of the best LHP prospects. Cole Ragans and Alex Speas have arguably the highest ceiling arms in the Rangers farm. Matuella was in the running for 1st pick overall pre-TJS. As mentioned Taveras has phenomenal tools and ceiling. Ronald Guzman was signed along with Mazara as the top two 16 year olds for huge bonuses a few years ago. While Guzman isn't a slam dunk he's improved greatly over the years and mashed 16 HR this year between AA and AAA. More of a hit tool guy with developing power. Just based off of numbers, Jurado should be a solid innng eater, which is super useful. Payano is hugely underrated at this point. He put up a 2.08 ERA with 82K and 29 BB in 73.2 innings in A-ball, with 3 good offerings including a fastball that touches the mid 90s (according to MLB pipeline). It will be interesting to see what window of contention the Sox aim for based on their trades. The Ranger's prospects appear to be farther from the majors than what the Astros or Dodgers can offer. But that also aligns more with the talent in their pipeline

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) lol no way we would get all 3 + for anyone. Completely unrealistic I think you do... I heard what Callis was talking about for asking price for Sale (Benintendi & JBJ & Devers & Kopech) and I thought he was nuts, but then I thought about a couple of things. 1. If you are the Nationals, Red Sox, Dodgers, Astros or Rangers, you have money, you have a lot of prospects and you have a window of competitiveness. Even if you are the Cardinals and Pirates, you still fall in the same boat. You have great 2017 & 2018 rosters and you have so much depth that one big piece could really push you over the edge. Sure Urias, De Leon, Bellinger, Verdugo and Alvarez, or Benintendi, Moncada, and Kopech are all talented players and would suck to lose, but how much do they help you in that 2017 & 2018 window. Do they help you as much as Sale does? Verdugo, Bellinger, Benintendi and Moncada all play positions that could be filled pretty easily via free agency, something that can’t be said about starting pictching. 2. Sale is an asset that, unless there is a major injury, could be re-traded at a later date. If you are one of the above teams, Sale might cost you your top 5 prospects, but you can keep him for 2 years and trade him for a teams 3 best prospects. So it’s an easier pill to swallow. Increase your probability of winning in the next two years then reevaluate. These GMs have deep pockets, lots of talent, small windows of opportunity and big egos. I think Hahn will get what he wants in the end.

Viva La Birds "offer" for Sale http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/st-louis-cardi...rade-alex-reyes

White Sox lack depth. When you are rebuilding and you can turn one player into more players you do it (as long as it's the right deal). Eaton and Robertson to the Cardinals for Kelly, Bader, Weaver and ~3 others.

QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:44 PM) Puig sucks and only has two years left on his deal, goes against RH's statement of getting long term pieces. Flip him. Or keep him for 1/2 a year, let him re-establish his value, then trade him.

QUOTE (jamesdiego @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) I could see the Sox leaking info about the Dodgers to try and get Boston to up their offer. As for Sale on the Dodgers, wouldn't feel bad one bit he would be at the same spring training facility. Could get a close up view of him cutting jersey's into chain people and see yearly diatribes from his pulpit about one thing or another. Would be more entertaining to see that kind of fun stuff if he's not on the team anymore. Yo gusto Urias, De Leon, Bellinger, Verdugo, Barnes. I could see LA giving more of a fair price than Boston. I think everyone is smokin something. No way Sox get Pederson, De Leon, Bellinger AND Urias for Sale and Frazier. Sale is a great baseball player, but he's not worth your entire farm system and a major league CF. I could see De Leon, Bellinger, Verdugo and some younger guys.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) I have no idea? Offensive guy that can't play defense? BP like's his framing. Plays 2B/CA, great walk rate, has speed. I'm a big fan.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Oct 20, 2016 -> 11:30 AM) Am I that delusional as I watch these playoffs to think the White Sox are not that far off? I don't see stacked lineups and deep rotations. Hell the Dodgers only have two starting pitchers and one of them is the definition of lightening in a bottle. The Giants offense was abysmal and the Dodgers are not much better. With the stars and scrubs roster, limited payroll flexibility and nothing coming up through the minors of value, trading one or more of our stars is the only way to add significant value and depth. Plus, could you imagine how hosed this franchise would be if we lost either Sale or Quintana. Look at the negative impact Abreu's slump had on the entire team offensively simply because we lack depth. I'd be open to dealing Sale, Abreu, Eaton and or Robertson. Give me one or two major league or major league ready players, and a couple prospects. Plus I can add one or two players with the money I just traded away. Imagine if we did a total rebuild. The talent Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Abreu and Robertson would bring back would be huge.

I think the Yankees will be in the mix and they will only driving up the paying price. Both NYY and BOS have the prospects and major league roster depth to trade for Sale.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Oct 18, 2016 -> 02:15 PM) It's not a 1 for 1 comparison. Acquiring JBJ comes at the expense of Chris Sale and guys like Devers, Kopech, etc. are 3 or 4 years away (at best) from contributing to the big league team in a meaningful way. JBJ is gone by then, so what's the point? Gomez costs nothing. Well not nothing exactly, but probably a contract similar to what the Sox gave Jackson last offseason. If you trade Sale, you have to build it around guys like Moncada and Ben that contribute immediately to the big league roster unless you are going burn it down full scale rebuild, which is simply not realistic under this management. It depends what your goal is and your window. If you are still going for it the next three years, then you get players that can contribute today. That means trade Kopech and Devers for someone that can play today. If you want players that can contribute today and want to strengthen your pipeline, then you keep them. Example (I'm not suggesting this trade): Sale for JBJ, Rodriguez, Devers, Kopech. Then Kopech + Devers for Jake Lamb. Sign Wieters with Sale money. RF Eaton LF Cabrera DH Abreu 1B Frazier 3B Lamb CF JBJ CA Wieters 2B Lawrie SS Anderson SP Quintana SP Rodon SP Gonzalez SP Rodriguez SP Shields This wouldn't be your final product (we'd want to strengthen our rotation), but the current state after the moves.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 13, 2016 -> 12:03 AM) If you could get Moncada, Benintendi, Kopech and Swihart for Sale and Melky, do you do it? If I'm Boston, I'm asking for Nate Jones instead of Melky

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) The flaw in his logic is he bases things based upon surplus value and the surplus value for an unrpoven player is significantly overrated in his model as it doesn't not seem to account for "bust factor" probability and seems far more focused on ascribing a surplus value based more on the ceiling vs. anything else. As a result, you include one top 10 prospect and the "surplus" value damn near equates to Sale (which for all the reasons I said above, clearly should make damn near zero plausible sense). He's right it's an overpay, but it's how the market is right now. Look at the haul NYY got for 2 months of Chapman and 2 yrs/ 2 mos of Miller. That overshot his formula as well.

I'll take Blackmon and McGee from the Rockies and Norris from the Padres. All fit nicely into the 2016-2017 plan. Anderson Eaton Abreu Cabrera Frazier Blackmon Lawrie Morneau Norris

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 13, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) EJ, Danish, and Beck maybe? Swihart is one of the top catching prospects in baseball. I wouldn't ask for anything less than Rodon if I were them.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 3, 2016 -> 11:29 AM) I'd love if the Sox added Lincecum This has White Sox dumpster diving signing written all over it. I still like Cashner from SD. If you take Kemp or Melvin Jr (plus $), it probably wouldn't cost you much prospect wise. The #5 pitcher is concerning to me, not because Danks sucks but because of expected regression from Latos and Rodon is good but still young.

Time for a Redsox/Dodgers Blue Jays/Marlins roster swap Sox Get: Inciarte, Teheran, Markakis, Aybar Braves Get: Danks, LaRoche, Fullmer, Danish, Engel, Garcia, Sanchez Sox Get: Segura, Braun, Will Smith, Jimmy Nelson, $ Brewers Get: Anderson, Adams, Sanchez, Danks, Garcia, couple other prospects

I don't know why everyone sells Desmond so short. His down year was Cespedes's average year before 2015. He plays a premium position and could move to 3b, 2b, or the OF later.

Danks, Engel, Spencer Adams and Avasail Garcia for Braun and Peralta.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 21, 2015 -> 11:48 AM) no way..... that will negate all the good work that was done. Yeah, I posted that before I looked into Fernendez. I knew he had TJ but didn't realize he was such a health risk. I'd keep Rodon over Fernandez. I'd still like Ozuna somehow though.

Marcell Ozuna. Rodon, Anderson, Garcia and a couple other prospects for Fernandez and Ozuna.

QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Dec 16, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) Shelby Miller is 25 years old. He has had three solid years, not just one good year. He is arb eligible for the first time in 2016 and isn't a FA until 2019. He is also a pitcher, which some teams value a bit higher than position players. He was drafted by St. Louis in the first round, which has value right there ( ). He had a lot of value. AZ may have overpaid, but not by that much, and we don't know what others were offering for Miller, so who's to say the market didn't determine the cost. What would you have asked for from them for Quintana? Pollock +