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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 29, 2017 -> 11:11 AM) Nothing against any of those prospects, but I'd want more of 1-2 true blue chip prospects if I am dealing Quintana. Fowler/Andujar/Adams likely would land a team Gray, but it feels light for Quintana. There is no such thing as a blue chip prospect. It's all about hype and luck. Buxton had more hype than Judge, which would you prefer to have now?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jun 27, 2017 -> 12:02 PM) Keeping the focus on Quintana, with the deadline soon approaching we can imagine the Yankees, Astros, Dodgers, possibly Red Sox? possibly Cubs? Diamondbacks? Rockies? to be potential suitors for Quintana. I think the Brewers are a wildcard. They have the prospect depth. Whether they would part with either Hader or Brinson is another question.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jun 26, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) I just don't see a match with the Astros. Outside of Tucker and Bregman, neither of whom appear to be available, there isn't much to be excited about there at all. I'm not trading Quintana for some live arms. I really hope the Sox don't deal with Houston. If I log on one days and see "Q traded to Astros," I am going to cringe, because the return may look good on paper but not actually fit the bill for what this team needs. The Yankees are a much better fit. The Rockies, Dodgers and Cubs would be as well if they were interested. I'd trade for arms. No guarantee all of ours pan out. Fullmer, Giolito and Lopez haven't exactly dominated AAA. I like Perez and Whitley from Houston. I'd take Fisher, Reed, Whitley, Perez (though they probably wouldn't do that). I was actually at a Riverbandits (Astros A team) game Saturday and talked to Whitley's dad. Unrelated, just interesting.

My wishlist: Robertson + Swarzak for Kieboom + Soto + Luzardo Quintana + Kahnle for Schwarber, Jimenez, Cease, Albertos Avi for Kelly + Flaherty Abreu for Rutherford, Andujar, Abreu OF Depth: Rutherford, Robert, Soto, Jimenez, Call, Fisher, Adolfo, Basabe 1B: Schwarber, Davidson 2B: Sanchez, Moncada SS: Anderson, Kieboom 3B: Delmonico, Andujar, Kieboom, Davidson CA: Kelly, Collins SP: Giolito, Flaherty, Lopez, Rodon, Fullmer, Dunning, Hansen, Cease, Guererro, Adams, Stephens, Luzardo, Abreu

QUOTE (Username @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Plus, with the emergence of Judge, Hicks, Didi, and company, they don't have room for everyone. Look at their outfield prospects. You can't fit Judge/Hicks/ Frazier/Rutherford/Fowler (and potential FA adds like Harper) all in one outfield. Same goes for 3B - Torres is likely blocking Andujar. As some has said they're also facing some tough roster realities. They'll have a real 40 man roster crunch this offseason, which cost them a few solid prospects last year and stands to hurt them again. The pitching market looks extremely weak this offseason, as well, incentivizing them to land a long-term piece via trade. I really think it's telling that Joel Sherman believes the Yankees will land a cost-controlled starter. I live in Manhattan right now and he's about as plugged in as they get. Yankees fans are also pretty ready to add from what I can tell. This. Cashman isn't gutting his minors. He is trading from organizational depth. He still has Mateo, Torres, Bird, Rutherford, Acevedos, Abreu, Wade in the minors. Abreu give's them another solid veteran to shore up 1B. If they lose Holliday, he can move to DH. Q and Abreu are cost controlled and provide a solid floor of production.

Thoughts on Q + Abreu to Yankees? It would gut their minors but they are facing a 40 man crunch soon. Something like Frazier, Fowler, Andujar, Floria, Austin, Adams

I'd love Carson Kelly and Flaghtery

Thoughts? What do you think his excess value is?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 12:07 PM) Why would Col do that? Hoffman might be more valuable than Q now. Rodgers is a top 5 prospect. Colorado has strong pitching depth for now. Yeah, that might be a stretch. Maybe Marquez. I'd think they would want more veteran presence in the rotation. Depending on that youth come September might be tough. Though they could do a 6 man rotation to stretch it out. Same with the bullpen. Holland could be a late season risk due to not playing for awhile.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 10:51 AM) I'd be really interested to see how the Rockies felt about bringing Kahnle back since he was an absolute disaster there. Rockies definitely need back end bullpen help, but I'm not sure how much Robertson makes sense for them either in light of his struggles in non-save situations. Also, their farm system has been raided by callups this year. Rodgers, Pint and McMahon (who has been raking this year) are the only headliners that they still have. And Pint has struggled pretty badly. I'd love to see a White Sox/Rockies blockbuster. Q + Kahnle for Rodgers, Dahl, Hoffman, Pint, Murphy

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 11:11 AM) I'd rather have Clint Frazier TBH. I get why people like Rutherford (I like him too), but I almost think he's a bit overrated around these parts. If I'm dealing Quintana, I need a positional headliner with a bit less projection. Frazier fits the bill IMO and I could actually see him being available. He won't come cheap and he has had arm and shoulder issues. With Q, your only risk is performance, which I think improves once he can put these rumors behind him.

Q will return a top 20 prospect. It will be one of: Jimenez, Robles, Rodgers, Martes, Devers, Brinson If Price isn't producing by the trade deadline, my money would be on Q to Boston. Devers would be a very nice addition to 3B.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ May 17, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) I'm not that high on Rodgers so I wouldn't be that excited about that package. His home parks in both Asheville (Low A) and Lancaster (High A) are bigger hitter parks than Coors is, and his road numbers are pedestrian at best. Plus doesn't he have questionable defense? I agree with Cameron that he's overrated. Rockies have their own risks they'll be inheriting, a poor performing Quintana and an injury risk in Jones.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 16, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) Rockies for Rodgers + is my hope Quintana + Jones for Dahl, Rodgers, Hoffman, Almonte, Pedro Gonzalez.

QUOTE (daggins @ May 15, 2017 -> 10:21 PM) I was just thinking about the Brewers as buyers this season and wondered how they matched up. They have got outfielders for sure - Brinson might be out, but they still have Corey Ray and Brett Phillips and a few others. The Reds system isn't very good, but lucky for them, they should start being very bad soon. How about the Indians as a mystery team. Q would provide them with the stability they need in their oft injured rotation. Zimmer + Mejia as headliners would be very nice.

If the division races stay close like they are now, then someone will pay big for Quintana. We could have a huge fire sale as teams will try and separate themselves from the pack. Rebuilding teams like the Reds and Brewers could be buyers for Q

Holland, Gonzalez, Frazier, Swarzak and Cabrera won't bring much back in return individually but could bring back something interesting if paired up. Take the Mets and Red Sox for example, both could use a 3B, SP and teams are always looking for a reliever. So send them Frazier, Holland and Swarzak, or just two of them. Seattle is another team that could use a 1B/DH type, SP and RP.

With Swarzak, Gonzalez and Holland, we should be able to get some A, A+ talent. I'd give them Gonzalez/Holland and Swarzak for Justin Dunn, Guereror and a flyer.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 18, 2017 -> 03:40 PM) Meadows was never on the table for Quintana as far as we know. If he was I would imagine a deal could be made http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2704212...-about-for-2017 This article suggests Martes is untouchable to the Astros, but that Musgrove, Tucker, Paulino + could be a possible structure. I personally do not think that gets it done. Paulino has flashed plus stuff, but has had quite a bit of trouble staying healthy Tucker is a good prospect who we could use Musgrove I like, but he as well has had injury issues creep up which have limited his innings The final piece would have to be substantial in order for it to be entertained Paulino is too injury prone. I think he's even injured now. Give me Tucker, Reed, Perez, Whitley

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 10:04 AM) https://wahoosonfirst.com/2017/03/29/clevel...-jose-quintana/ Wow^^^ This article made me laugh pretty hard for obvious reasons his offers suck but the concept of trading with Cleveland is interesting. Zimmer, Mejia + would be very nice. This is why if Q continues to stay healthy and pitch well, we could get a kings ransom for him at the trade deadline. Imagine the desperation for teams with limited windows.

I don't blame Luhnow for balking at the Sox asking price. If he waits until the trade deadline, his trade chips çould be more valuable. His rotation is good enough to get him to the trade deadline and reassess. I also don't blame him for wanting to keep Martes. He and his staff are obviously skilled at talent evaluation.

If I were Huntington I'd send Meadows for Q. It's not just about 7 years of Meadows, it's about competing in the small window you have with McCutchen and Cole. You can always unload Cole, McCutchen and even Q at the 2018 deadline if you are out of it. The Astros have loads of talent. I'd trade with them even if I couldn't get both Martes and Tucker. Give me Perez, Whitley, Laureano, Hernandez, M. Sierra

I think the Rockies could beat any Yankees offer with Rodgers, Pint, Tapia. Which I'd take over Frazier, Rutherford, +

QUOTE (rcpweiner @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 03:46 PM) Just spitballing here: If we're to use Fangraphs' ballparking of Quintana's surplus value ($80 to $90 million), and then compare that to today's "Valuing the 2017 Top Prospects" list, then what seems to make sense would be something along the lines of: Clint Frazier ($38M), Blake Rutherford ($38M), and Justus Sheffield ($14M). Maybe another lottery ticket to boot. Something like that seems right to me. (Meanwhile, my personal favorite move would be to find a way to pry Austin Meadows ($70M) and Glasnow ($22M) from the Pirates, but it'd likely be just those two.) (Also: The other crazy thing is we somehow got $129M back plus Basabe / Diaz for Sale.) I don't think that prospect $ is surplus value, so you have to add more

Robertson will be worth a haul at the trade deadline. Once teams know they are in the race, they'll pay a premium for that extra bullpen arm. I wouldn't rush a trade just to get something done. Severino is nice but not nearly enough to entice me. Miller and Chapman aren't that far ahead of Robertson in value IMO (2015 Robertson). They both brought back top 20 prospects. Severino isn't even a consensus top 10 prospect in the Nationals system.