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If Abreu walks, you MIGHT get a supplemental draft pick and a year and a half of mentoring. Players like Pham, Judge, Kluber, Hand etc were not on any top prospect lists. So you have to take some gamble and rely on your scouts. If you got one of Fisher, Davis or Stubbs, or got a couple top 10 players that aren't top 100s, you are still putting yourself in better position in the long run. Now I wouldn't just give him away for anything, but I wouldn't cry if we didn't get a top 100 prospect.

I would estimate Abreu's value to be close to what the Pirates got for Cole. There were no sexy names but the Pirates did well. Say Abreu and Cedeno for Martes, Davis and Stubbs.

Last year, the Blue Jays got Teoscar Hernandez from the Astros for Francisco Liriano. Liriano at the time had a 5.88 ERA and a 1.62 WHIP. Hernandez was a top 10 Astros prospect. That would be my ask range for Shields.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:01 AM) Boston and the White Sox aren't really a match but I wonder if they could be in a 3 way discussion of some kind. Oakland and Boston probably don't do this but this would make sense for Sox. Boston Gets: Jose Abreu Oakland Gets: Jackie Bradley Jr. White Sox Get: OF Austin Beck, LHP Jesus Luzardo, two low level flyers I like Neuse. I don't want anymore OFS

White Sox blogger had it first https://twitter.com/Matt_Enuco/status/939326214787031040

FutureSox has one too, but those bums take too much time between podcasts

White Sox Weekly, The catbird Speaks for White Sox Baseball America and MLB Pipeline for prospects Fangraphs for general baseball

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 16, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) He is still worth assets though. Maybe after another year or two of failure he might get waived, but no time soon. I would trade prospects for him. We are going to have a 40 man crunch soon so there is a possibility for 2:1 type prospect deal. In order for that to happen though, the Pirates would have to have given up on him.

Pirates probably aren't selling him, but I'd love Glasnow

Wishful thinking, but if Liriano could net Teoscar Hernandez, then maybe Gonzalez could get something similar. He has less control but has been worth more WAR than Liriano.

Any guesses as to where he lands?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2017 -> 10:47 PM) Their number 5 prospect, Keston Hiura (just drafted), is mlbpipeline's #97 prospect in baseball. By their estimation, I would bet he is far worse than #200. I'm tired of arguing, but a guy that is 7th in WAR for relievers at the end of July should get better than this. Case closed. Economics 101 - Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

I think Kahnle's floor is what the Red Sox paid for Tyler Thornburg, which was Yeison Coca (Red Sox #25), Josh Pennington (Red Sox #22), Mauricio Dubon (Red Sox #7) and Travis Shaw. Obviously we don't want a major leaguer like Shaw, we prefer prospects, but he had 5 years of control and was worth 2.2WAR when he was traded. I think if you look at the teams that are in the race: Brewers, Cubs, Red Sox, Yankees, Tampa, Dodgers, Diamondback, Rockies, Astros, there will be an arms race for sure.

I did a twitter poll. Avi + Robertson for Kelly, Flaherty, Bader https://twitter.com/paulriker/status/886778081511452672 Surprisingly, most say White Sox say no. I actually think the Cardinals would say no. You might be able to get Kelly + some lower level guys like Perez, Alcantara and Hudson before you could get Flaherty and Bader.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) The way I see it is that he probably doesn't get you much back in trade right now but his upside is so considerable that there's a real chance you end up with an elite reliever who is either useful for our next contending club or has much more trade value in a year or so. If you got a pitcher back for him right now, you'd be very lucky if you get someone who can be as good as he's been this season. Kahnle is under control for 3.5 years and right now is one of the top 10 relievers in all of baseball. I don't think you get Torres or Frazier, but I bet you could get some high ceiling low level prospect like Rutherford or Groome. Yankees have a lot of depth in the OF, they would trade some of it for success today.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 17, 2017 -> 07:34 AM) Trading Kanhle now is dumb because he has more upside as a closer in 2018. Worst case scenario, he fails and still is an effective 7th inning guy with dominant stuff. Who else could be the closer next year? With Burdi down, there's no candidate (other than Fulmer or possibly Lopez) for 2018. Resign Swarzak to close? Beck? Danish? Guerrero and Adams are still perceived to be starters. We've already lost any potential Petricka, Putnam and Jones returns. As well as Jennings, for anything more than a flier. Kahnle's value only goes down from here. If you use him as closer, his value goes down, because his cost through arbitration. I wouldn't trade him just to trade him. If the market undervalues him, then you can keep him in hopes of the market rebounding.

QUOTE (striker @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 10:33 PM) I'm dreaming but Kyle Lewis from Seattle or Carson Kelly from STL would be a nice get. Kahnle + Garcia to the Cardinals

I'm dreaming but Kyle Lewis from Seattle or Carson Kelly from STL would be a nice get.

My dream scenarios: Robertson and Swarzak to Nationals for Kieboom and Soto Abreu to Yankees for Andujar and Florial Frazier and Kahnle to Red Sox for Chavis and Groome Avi to Cardinals for Kelly and Flaherty Depth OF: Jimenez, Robert, Soto, Florial, Basabe, Adolfo, Call, Fisher, May, CA: Kelly, Collins 3B: Andujar, Chavis, Burger, Kieboom 2B: Moncada, Kieboom SP: Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Groome, Cease, Flaherty, Fulmer, Dunning, Hansen, Adams, Stephens

How about the Pirates as a dark horse. We know they had interest in the offseason. Onley keeps speculating the Dodgers wanting McCutchen. How about a three way. Dodgers get McCutchen Pirates get Quintana White Sox get Verdugo, Alvarez, Glasnow, Craig Pirates have an outside chance this year and this helps their chances the next three years. They aren't going to rebuild.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) I know a trade to them is unlikely but man do the Cubs need a pitcher bad. Lackey just went to the DL with plantar fasciitis and Montgomery getting lit up by the Brewers. I think with Q, the White Sox are determined to trade him and they'll take the best offer they can get, even if it's from the Cubs.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 6, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) If Kahnle starts closing games once Robertson is moved, and if successful, then he would look a lot like Thornburg in basic stats. Similar age, too. Probably better held than traded at this point. If he starts closing, he get's more expensive as well, which would impact his trade value.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 10:04 AM) Doubtful the Red Sox gut their system even more by dealing Devers and Groome. The issue with Devers and Chavis is that neither is currently a very good defensive player, with each having committed 12 errors in 60 games this season. That is not going to cut it at the mlb level. Porcello is struggling, Price is doing well but still could be a concern. The entire rest of their lineup is pretty inexpensive. Quintana helps stabilize their rotation, improves their playoff rotation, is priced very well for the next 3.5 years (key for a team trying to stay under the luxury tax).

On the CSN WhiteSoxTalk podcast, Nightengale from USA Today predicted Robertson going to the Red Sox. Groome is healthy now. He'd be a nice get in a Robertson deal. Groome + Chavis.

Groome is healthy again for the Red Sox. I still see them as a possibility for Q. Devers would be a great headliner in a deal with Groome being the second piece.