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This is why you ask for three elite prospects http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2016/3/9/...e-retrospective

Anyone else think trading Q is holding up trading Robertson, Jones, etc.? As they could be added to a deal to push for top prospects.

QUOTE (Username @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 04:04 PM) Hopefully the Smyly move gives the Astros some anxiety. Would love to see Trumbo or Hammels head to the Rangers as well. Takes an arm off the market, possibly two now as I assume it's less likely Rays trade Archer.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 11:40 AM) and nobody knows if Meadows and Bell will even be special. It's ridiculous that Pittsburgh isn't even willing to trade one of them. Their off limits by the fans. I haven't heard anyone in the know say that is actually the case.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) Likely we are looking at something along the lines of: Glasnow/Newman/Keller or Martes/Tucker/Paulino as the two offers on the table Sox are rejecting both of those. Neither the Pirates or Astros seem to want to include more at this time to beat the others offer, and both are a ways of from working out. I'd reject both of those, sign Bautista and Saunders and make things interesting in 2017. Trade everyone at the deadline.

It is interesting when Yankees, Pirates and Astros fans say that Quintana is not worth the prospects. They could conceivably keep Quintana for 2 years and still get a haul for him in 2 years if they flip him. They run the risk of his value going down but that same risk could be said for hanging onto prospects.

Great site for scouting prospects http://mlbfarm.com/player.php?player_id=65...amp;position=RF

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 09:22 AM) I really think a deal happens with the Astros pretty soon. I'm going to predict a Martes, Tucker, Reed, & Laureano package. That may feel light to some, but Reed was a top 30 prospect just 12 months ago and Laureano appears to be criminally underrated. Short of the Pirates offering Meadows, I think I take that deal, although I'm pretty high on Tucker. I like that deal but give me Stubb's over Reed. CA>1B

Abreu isn't under contract for three years, he opted for arbitration. This could be appealing to teams because it reduces their risk if he under performs ( they can not issue him a contract) plus it limits his cost if he does perform. 2months of Beltran cost Dillon Tate+, so I'm sure the return on Abreu could be a couple top 10 prospects, including a MLB top 30. I'd be asking for the Eaton return, but minus Giolito, plus a different top 10. If I can't get that now, I keep Abreu and gamble on him improving his performance.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) Glasnow, Newman, Hayes and Diaz would be a pretty good return from where I'm sitting if the Pirates insist on not including Meadows. The only issue I can see with Newman is whether he's ultimately blocked by Anderson and Moncada. I'd love Bell as a second piece, but would be pretty surprised if the Pirates moved him. That is underwhelming IMO. We'd need 5 pieces in that deal. I'd rather trade with the Astros if we are going for quantity over quality.

My preference is SS, CA, CF, SP. My wish list for two main pieces: 1. Yankees - Torres, Rutherford 2. Rockies - Rodgers, Dahl/Tapia 3. Pirates - Meadows, Glasnow 4. Astros - Martes, Tucker The Astros have the least exciting top 2 main pieces but they have a lot to offer with additional pieces. A lot of B/B+ prospects http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/12/12/...spects-for-2017 I don't like the Pirates as a partner if the second piece is Bell. 1B, DH, and corner OF positions are the most plentiful in the market every year.

I wonder if the A's could be a sleeper for Q. Barreto, Puk, Holmes and Chapman are all intriguing.

Sickels Pirates top 20. Rates Keller higher than Bell. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2016/12/31/...spects-for-2017

The reason a deal hasn't happened yet is because the White Sox are asking a lot, and the teams that have the prospects (NYY, PIT, COL, etc.) are all waiting for the price to go down. They are all "good" teams as is, so they don't feel rushed to make a trade. It will come down to when/if Hahn decides to pull the trigger on the deals that are on the table.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) Look, I'm not trying to be a dick and enjoy discussing fan-generated trade proposals, but they got to be somewhat in the realm of reality to merit discussion. Your trade proposal has a 0.1% chance of happening and isn't going to generate any productive conversation on this board. Sale got a top 10 MLB prospect, a top 30 MLB prospect and another org top 10 (which sounds like he'll land in the top MLB 100 soon), +throw in. Rockies equivalent for Quintana would be Rodgers, Pint, Tapia, +throw in. Some have said the Sox are asking for more than what they got for Sale. So that leaves Dahl (I think he was ranked ~70 in MLB), Hoffman (top 30 in MLB) and Murphy for Abreu. The probability of every trade proposal happening is .001%. While I come to the realization it won't happen, it's not that far fetched in comparison to the Sale and Eaton trades. Like others have mentioned, signing Trumbo, Carter or Napoli then trading for Q would make more sense and I would agree. But that still lands at about .002% chance of happening. Sorry for wasting your time.

QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) The golden rule to consider before you propose a trade involving your team - would you accept this if you were the GM of the other team? GMs would probably accept roughly 0.34% of proposed online trades. The point of posting trade proposals is to generate conversation, regardless of their probability of really happening.

QUOTE (striker @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 09:56 AM) 1. If you have talent on your major league roster, you can always use that to replenish your minors. For example, see the current Chicago White Sox. 2. They have a window to compete now. They stand to lose Arenado, Gonzalez and Blackmon in the next 1-2 years. Abreu + Quintana could add anywhere from 6 to 10 wins. Rockies are currently projected for 78 wins in 2017 by FanGraphs. Quintana (4) + Abreu (2) puts them at 84 wins in 2017. 3. They don't have spots to play all of their prospects. Rodgers, Tapia and Murphy don't have positions right now (not that they are all major league ready). No point in holding them in the minors, might as well convert them to return on your major league roster. To me a team has to commit to winning or losing. The Rockies are in the same boat the White Sox were, mired in mediocrity, but they have the prospects to change that. With my trade above, you have a sweet team for the next two years, you put your balls on the table. At the 2018 trade deadline, you can trade Blackmon or Arenado to add prospects, then in the offseason you could move Abreu, Quintana or anyone else to do the same. Or you could keep your roster as is, win 78-80 games and talk about how you have great prospects. Blackmon LeMahieu Arenado Abreu Story Gonzalez Desmond Wolter Gray Quintana Bettis Anderson Butler That's a pretty sweet lineup. Q could win 25 games with that offense.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 09:36 AM) Come on dude, they'd be cleaning out their entire minor league system in this proposal. You can't think this realistic right? 1. If you have talent on your major league roster, you can always use that to replenish your minors. For example, see the current Chicago White Sox. 2. They have a window to compete now. They stand to lose Arenado, Gonzalez and Blackmon in the next 1-2 years. Abreu + Quintana could add anywhere from 6 to 10 wins. Rockies are currently projected for 78 wins in 2017 by FanGraphs. Quintana (4) + Abreu (2) puts them at 84 wins in 2017. 3. They don't have spots to play all of their prospects. Rodgers, Tapia and Murphy don't have positions right now (not that they are all major league ready). No point in holding them in the minors, might as well convert them to return on your major league roster. To me a team has to commit to winning or losing. The Rockies are in the same boat the White Sox were, mired in mediocrity, but they have the prospects to change that. With my trade above, you have a sweet team for the next two years, you put your balls on the table. At the 2018 trade deadline, you can trade Blackmon or Arenado to add prospects, then in the offseason you could move Abreu, Quintana or anyone else to do the same. Or you could keep your roster as is, win 78-80 games and talk about how you have great prospects.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 08:50 AM) Reading this got me thinking that if Hahn holds out long enough we could see the Rockies legitimately jump into the mix for Q once they trade an outfielder. Sounds alot like Pitt. If the Rockies can find a trade for Blackmon, it would ease the hit their farm would take in a trade for Q. Patience. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/whos...p;post-id=81569 Send them Abreu too. Quintana and Abreu for Rodgers, Hoffman, Dahl, Pint, Murphy, Tapia

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 12:45 PM) There shouldn't be an issue. Especially, once he goes through the physical. This type of injury will be very easy to assess if there is any long term issues. True

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) I was gonna say. Its a torn ACL. A couple posters here are acting like the kid completely shredded his knee or had a more serious injury that he'll never be the same again in some aspects (ala Jared Mitchell). Prospects already come with enough risk though, you don't want to add more. IMO. Especially since Lewis would be the #2 piece in the deal. If he was a throw in, then not as big of a deal.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 09:53 AM) Except with that knee injury, you never know if he'll come back at 100%. Don't think they would trade for a player unless they've scoured all the doctor's reports and monitored in the spring. Possible, but unlikely. Plus projecting players from Mercer Univ. isn't a simple equation, either. Yeah, didn't realize Lewis was injurred.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 11:08 PM) BlackSox13 brings up an intriguing idea. The Mariners. Lewis/O'Neill/Neidert/Vogelbach/Haniger isn't terrible. Someone on twitter suggested the Mariners as the 3rd team. Mariners get McCutchen. Pirates get Quintana White Sox get Glasnow (MLB Pipeline #8), Lewis (MLB Pipeline #28), O'Neil (MLB Pipeline #60) This would rival the Eaton and Sale returns as far as MLB Pipeline rankings.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 26, 2016 -> 03:41 PM) One thing I'm thinking about right now is that the White Sox have already taken 2 franchises that think they can win right now...and gutted them. So, there were teams willing to go all-in and make a move, and teams that had the resources to do so, and 2 of those teams are now gone. So now...we're left with a set of teams that should still make moves, but they're more hesitant to do so. So, maybe we're also running into a demand shortage. We've tapped out 2 teams, leaving only a handful of teams who even have the resources to make such a move. If that were the case, then waiting on a few drafts, signings, and minor league breakouts, maybe even combined with a major league surprise or injury or two, could be required before anyone steps up to pay this price. The difference is now we are dealing with mid market teams that value their prospects much more.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 24, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) Where did you see this? It's my own idea