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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 06:14 PM) If they don't work out though, then they're stuck at the bottom of that division for another 4 years and he winds up fired. I like the chances of them working out. They've got some serious talent. Like I said, if they can talk a few free agents into coming to Canada, they'll be pipe bomb dangerous.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 06:08 PM) You're seriously being ridiculous with this. A guy can not be the best gm in baseball until he wins something, anything. Could a case be made in a few years? Possibly but there's just no possible argument right now to be made that he's the best gm in the game. How do you figure? What GM could do a better job of cleaning up a dumbf***'s mess in less than two years time? There's no risk in any of the moves AA has made. If they workout, which some already have, they win. If they don't, they still win. Because there's nobody that's going to be a burden on their payroll long-term.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) And even if you look at the Wells deal. They took Napoli, who was the best player in that trade, and moved him for Frank Francisco. I'd say the Rangers raped the Jays in that deal. Stop it.

So you mean we weren't booing Jim Thome during the first half of 2006? Go figure.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) The Wells trade was exceptional, however, you act like Frank Francisco is good, which he really hasn't been, and you act like Brandon Morrow is some All-Star, when he really hasn't taken the next step and is approaching 28. I love Lawrie, but he's quite unproven and raped the PCL. We'll see how well that translates to the bigs. You say he's already helping the big club? I say he's played 3 f***ing games so far. Also, I don't know how you can call trading Marcum last offseason as "selling high", when the Blue Jays and their staff could certainly use a guy with a 1.13 WHIP and a 3:1 k:bb rate in their rotation. You post deals as certain wins where the jury is still very much out... the Wells deal was amazing, the rest is all up for debate still. Ahhh, but you make it black and White. Francisco was a reach, as I didn't realize he was a FA after the year when I made that post. So I'll let that one go. But Brandon League for Brandon Morrow? C'mon now. Brandon Morrow is easily a #3 who, when is on his game, can shut down any offense in baseball. He's cheap and under control for the next two years. Brandon League, a reliever, is making the same amount of money and is under control for only one more year. AA took Jack Zdgsdfgfgf back to the shed and beat him with a hockey stick.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) AA's moves look great on paper but it certainly doesn't mean all of them are going to end up being fantastic. Until he wins something, it's impossible to call him the best gm in the game, just doesn't make sense. No, we've seen enough. If I was a DA, I'd have more than enough sufficient evidence to present my case to the grand jury. We'd no doubt go to trial, in which case I'd be going up against Andrew Friedman's lawyer.

29-1? Which one of 2k5/ptatc/random-anonymous-dumbass who wants to be different voted yes?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 02:43 PM) Jeesh, I can think of 4 (Morel/Pierre/Rios/Dunn)....who are the other 2? AJ and Beckham.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) Or at least finish better than 4th. As if KW, your god, could do any better. He certainly couldn't set up a team to compete like the current Blue Jays are. They're coming. And they're coming for everyone soon.

Fact of the matter is that we have 6 (yes, 6!) of the worst players in baseball at their respective positions getting significant playing time. I can't think of off the top of my head a team being so prohibitively handicapped by that many guys ever winning a division title. Save the sample size. Baseball tells you the truth 9.5 times out of 10.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 02:20 PM) Pretty much, every GM will make a mistake, probably atleast once per season/offseason. It's the moves that they do to limit the amount of hurt that mistake does to the team that makes the GM great. It's like a hitter, they will slump at some point in the season, their success level tends to be how well they limit those slumps. Unless your name is Alex Anthopoulos. He can't spell mistake.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) I'm fairly confident I remember Konerko calling out the Big Hurt in 2003 or 2004 for some reason. Let's hope it was '04. As PK had no room to call anybody out in '03. I'm thinkin' it was earlier than that.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Really, -0.1 WAR is "one of the least productive players in baseball"? I thought that would basically be the definition of a replacement player...exactly 0 WAR. Offensively is what I meant. The defense has been fine. Just like Brian Anderson's was more than fine in '06. I have no faith whatsoever in this organization to develop position players.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) Is it really necessary to shoot down & insult fans who want to try and enjoy the last two months of the season? It's obvious this team's chances are minimal. But if someone wants to play the "what if" game, you don't just have to come out and call him an idiot. Everyone treats their fandom differently and if someone wants to hold out hope until the last possible moment, you don't have to jump on them for it. Thing is the "optimists" are the ones trying to impose their rose-colored will on the "pessimists." "Death to all non-believers?" What kinda short-bus s*** is that? lol. Or were evil because we're not giving Brent Morel a pass for being f***ing terrible? "Oh, well, it's Adam's and Rios' fault that we even notice that Morel has been one of the least productive players in baseball." Please.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) I'd rather enjoy rooting for the team and always believing things wil get better than being negative about it. There are thirty teams I believe and at the end of a 162 game schedule there will be 6 divisional winners and 2 wild card teams. We all want to win the ultimate prize but only one in thirty will. Failure means some folks will be upset. At the end of the day I just want to see an effort. I think our folks have tried their best. We are 5 1/2 out right now. We did something this past weekend we haven't done in a long time-sweep the Twins in their own ball park. That's a positive. I woud just like to see negativity take a back seat here for awhile. When you look back at a baseball season and think success is a 162-0 year that's just being unrealistic. Fail to win the pennant this year just means there is next year. Tat's the greqat thing about baseball. But, I don't see any reason to be defeatist this year. When the season is over it's over and we will see where we are and talk about how to compete better next year. 29 other clubs will do the same. Leave the optimists alone and I for one won't say anything negative about the pessimists. 162-0 is unrealistic? That's poppycock. I demand an undefeated season. Otherwise I'm not satisfied.

lol. Well it's a good thing Rios, Dunn, Beckham, Morel, etc, don't play for the Phillies, Mets, Yankees or Red Sox. If the booing here has any affect on them whatsoever, my goodness, they'd have to be institutionalized playing in those environments every day.

lol@2k5. That Royals team sucked. I'm sure their fans don't sit around thinking, "Oh my, what if?. That '03 team could've been special." I think KW has infected your baseball brain.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 01:01 PM) Wow, it's amazing how negative & depressing some people are. What's wrong with some people trying to find some fun & positivity out of the last two months of the season?? They know there is no baseball to be played from October til April, so might as well try to enjoy what's left, even if it probably will suck. Just because you don't look at that way, doesn't mean you just have to shoot down all other fans. I don't mind positivity. Even though there's no logic that accompanies it. This reminds me of when the little black kid from Angels in the Outfield kept saying "it could happen." Why? There's no reason why. It could just happen.

Seems to me the people that are annoyed with this thread are the ones that keep posting in it.

Unless it comes out that Felix Hernandez or Clayton Kershaw or similar pitchers of that ilk were available, I have no problem with the Pirates doing exactly what they did at the deadline. They aren't, and never were, a playoff team. Doesn't matter that they were in first for a few days.

QUOTE (Jillian Michaels' Abs @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 09:16 AM) I remember in the offseason most "educated" Sox fans said that any offense from Morel would be gravy, considering his plus glove. Ah, the good ol' days.... back when Adam Dunn and Alex Rios weren't destroying the city and urinating in everyone's cornflakes, back when we were still "All In".... If Adam Dunn and Alex Rios had played within 80% of expectations, I don't think we'd be talking about Brent Morel's offensive output (or lackthereof). This thread is seemingly just a reminder of how bad bad bad bad bad Dunn/Rios is. Smells exactly like '06 Brian Anderson. I seriously doubt anybody said a sub-600 OPS would be acceptable. I know this is White Sox land. A land where young homegrown position players come to die. But a .587 OPS from your 3B in the AL is really, really, really bad.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 8, 2011 -> 07:28 AM) It would be interesting to see how he would operate if he were running a team that had expectations to win. So his baseball I.Q. deteriorates if he's running a team that has "expectations?" Lack of expectations certainly hasn't handicapped Tampa the last 4 years.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 7, 2011 -> 05:51 PM) If he is hitting an empty .290, what's the point of even using that statistic in an argument? Morel has been awful this year offensively, but I still feel part of the blame has to be Ozzie's usage of him. Defensively he has been great. But he still has A LOT to improve upon if he is going to be a major league starter, including any semblance of power (11 XBH is putrid), his base running (beyond his 2-for-6 in SBs, he always seems to make horrible choices on the paths) and bunting. We knew he was going to take some lumps as a hitter in his first year in the Major Leagues, but not this bad. He probably should have been sent down at some point this year, but alas he was the tallest midget at third base in the organization. 1 HR, 9 2B and 1.5 BB%=replacement level. No amount of defense can mask that. Hopefully we see a substantial improvement next year.

David Wright? Even if we could take on that salary, unless we're giving up Viciedo, Sale and Santos, maybe a little more than that, that's not happening.

Morel's not gotten a pass as far as I'm concerned. He's been unbearable from an offensive standpoint.