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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) No, it implies if I have a problem with you personally, I approach you via PM. I am certainly not obsessed with you. There you go again flattering yourself. Trust me, if I was going to be obsessed with someone, it would not be you. You're just a lightning rod for ignorance right now. You've got more nonsense coming off your fingertips than Niagara Falls has water spilling over its edge. If you say so. It doesn't matter what I post, or what thread, etc. You've always got something to say. I wasn't going to say s***. But now people think I'm just full of myself and I want to be popular or some s***. And that's partly because of you. Are you serious? Take that s*** somewhere else.

Only thing I agree with SS2K5 about when it comes to LeBron is that he could have a little more to offer from the post. Especially at his size. But even with that, I can't classify him as an underachiever. If Lebron is an underachiever, every player in the NBA is an underachiever.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) I told you to go F yourself. Don't make it sound like I used some sort of racial slur or something. Which implies you are obsessed with me and have something smart to say whenever I post something. You're not fooling anybody. I've never come at you personally.

Fair enough SS2K5. But at least tell me you see my point of view? I won't use that erm anymore.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) Ozzie was wrong for using it. That wasn't what you asked. You asked if he should be fired. There is a difference. I pose the same question to you.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) Ozzie was f***ing horribly wrong for using that term and the sensitivity training that they had him do was no where near as severe of a response as it should have been. Fair enough. Balta +1. Do you think that was a fireable offense? And for the record, I'll remove the "R" word from my vocabulary.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:58 PM) Yeah, because you are the devil. I think shack is right about your me complex. I also am pretty right about what you would think of being used as an insult, because you take it personally when someone disagrees with you. You would lose it if I used you to mean some sort of sub-intelligent figure. Honestly, I believe something like this should be used as an opportunity to make yourself a better person. That's why it even got brought up. But if you are perfectly proud of your ignorance here, there isn't much of a point. Shack doesn't know wtf he's talking about. And if I wanted to, I could post what he sent to me through PM. But I'm not gonna do that. I don't live to boost myself up on here. I have strong views and opinions and that's fine. If that's a bad thing then tell me now and I won't post here anymore. Ozzie clearly stated that JM was a "F" word. Now I want to see you or Balta saying Ozzie was wrong for using that term. Don't tell me you can't find it. Knight and Heads had no problem finding my posts last year on how Phil Humber would be garbage and throwing it back in my face. I challenge you guys to do the same.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) Should we ban you for saying something like that? And you just proved my point. So Ozzie can insinuate somebody is the "F" word but I use the "R" word to describe a piece of an article and I'm the devil? Yeah. I win. Whether you like it or not.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) Tiger Woods and President Obama have both got caught up in this very same debate. I think it was Tiger saying something about acting/playing like a "spaz" after a round at the Masters. http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog...ves/003020.html Then there was the bowling/Special Olympics controversy with Obama, if you remember. If you're African-American, the "n" word will always be the most charged word any non-black person except for Eminem can say. If you have someone in your family afflicted with a physical or mental disability, that's certainly going to be #1 sensitive issue. Gays and lesbians, etc. I remember when I was younger, my mom used the phrase "acting Jewish" and then I heard someone refer to the owner of the White Sox in that manner (because of the "low payroll") and it never really dawned on me until I grew older how hurtful that could be. Then there are movies like Borat or There's Something About Mary that make fun of "political correctness" and are deliberately over-the-top in order to provoke. Can Sascha Baron Cohen be racist or prejudiced if he's making fun of his own religion, for example? We've seen it ourselves with Ozzie, Mariotti and the whole "fa-" debate. If Ozzie was a white manager, would he have still kept his job? This is outstanding. I totally forgot about this. Now to Balta and SS2K5, should Ozzie still be our manager?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) Not at all. I was just giving an example of why you can't lump LeBron into the underachiever group just because he hasn't won a title. lol. My bad. I interpreted that post in a way you obviously didn't mean. My fault. I read too fast sometimes.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) Heck. If you're going to add Lebron then you'll have to add a slew of other guys who never won a title like Barkley, Stockton, and Malone. Do you really believe those guys are underachievers? I don't. They were GREAT players who ran into some of the best teams of the last 20 years (Jordan's Bulls and Hakeem's Rockets). I really do believe LeBron will get his ring at some point. He definitely choked on a fat one in this last finals. But the dude still has a ROY, scoring title, two MVPs, and some of the most efficient nseasons the NBA has ever seen.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) LeBron has to be on that team at this point. False. LeBron has had multiple seasons that rival Jordan's best season. No, no rings. That's an entirely separate issue. But LeBron is most certainly NOT an underachiever.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:10 PM) None of those terms have ever been used to clinically or socially used to describe a very specific group of people. There is a large jump between retarded and idiot. Retarded is short for mental retardation, which is very different than moron. There is? Do tell. I'd love to hear your hypothesis on this.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 02:01 PM) Honestly with what you are doing it would be more accurate to call Rogers a n*****, because we obviously know he isn't (just like we know he isn't retarded), but use it anyway, because somehow that means is f***ing moron, idiot, or whatever else insult you want to use. I know you wouldn't be all right with that, and you shouldn't be. Let's just say I used the term "idiot" or "moron" or "dumb" f***. What if somebody who didn't graduate HS or can't read or has an extremely low I.Q. takes offense to that? Am I wrong for using those terms? Where's the cutoff? Race or skin color does not fly. That's a totally different issue.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) Mark down this date, but I agree with Balta. And this is why you and Balta have, like, 150,000+ posts between the two of you. You guys debate and have something to say about EVERYTHING. If a black writer had written exactly what Phil Rogers said, you're not going to say that dumb "N," unless you're just a racist. You're going to say he's a f***ing moron, idiot, or use even the dreaded "R" word. That part of the article was so ridiculous that you would have to assume there's something not right mentally with the author. And we're not just talking about some random geek from a blog or something. This guy is a writer for a major newspaper.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) I would guess twice. In 2006, he missed 15 games from June 3-22, I assume that's a DL stint. In 2008, he missed 13 games from June 10-26, and that's over 15 days as well. Every other season he played at least 154 games. Props to you for doing some research. Seems like Albert is in there pretty much every day to me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) I clearly stated that using the "N" word was not me insulting anybody who is African American. Somehow, I don't think that defense would fly That's not the same and you know it. But I digress. This isn't filibuster. I'm not making a big deal out of this.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:26 PM) Some other parts of the story were fine, though. Call it dumb s***, but why go through the 'R' word routine? Not calling you out too much, I just think you, me and a lot of people would be better served to read their posts carefully before hitting the save button sometimes. I've edited myself a lot since my ban last year. Couldn't me saying "dumb" s*** be me insinuating anybody who didn't graduate HS is dumb? Just playing Devil's advocate. I clearly stated that using the "R" word was not me insulting anybody mentally challenged. They have an excuse. What the hell is Phil Roger's excuse? If the Marlins could take on salary such as Peavy's they'd have about 5 World Series titles right about now. Because they sure as f*** can scout, draft and develop.

I agree with Zoom here. Give KG multiple all-stars or a similar cast as to what he's featured in Boston back in his prime, and he'd have at least 3-4 titles. Webber was definitely an underachiever to me.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) 1.) Some words you should just not go there and 'retarded' is one of them. Rogers isn't retarded. Why do you have to even go there? Sometimes it's best to re-read your post before saving and not go there. 2.) I call for his firing cause this is the first year he's deserved to be canned by traditional baseball standards. High payroll, all-in, minimal results. That doesn't mean I don't like him. I think fathom may understand my position on Ozzie. From a baseball sense, I think it applies. That's some of the dumbest s*** I've ever heard in my life. Peavy to the f***ing Marlins? C'mon, now. This guy gets paid to print this s***.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) 4-6 weeks /= to season ending. I award the point to Brian. He did say possible. I know fathom doesn't just throw junk out there out of nowhere. Maybe initially it looked really bad? How many times has Albert been on the DL?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 01:03 PM) I don't like Pierre's slappy style of hitting and he's having a bad year defensively and can't throw but I agree there is value in a guy that can hit .290. I have a question for all the new-wave stat people. I listen to games on the radio and MLB.com and listen to interviews with GMs and the like and the comments made are ALWAYS about the old stats like batting average for hitters, wins for pitchers, ERA for pitchers. Many of you act like batting average means NOTHING. If so, then why do all the pundits, including the national baseball guys during interviews, never mention these other categories that so impress the stat geeks (said with all due respect, I realize all of you are not geeks in the skinny, glasses-wearing, pocket protector sense of the word). Sabermetrics aren't mainstream yet. They're still relatively underground. But five years from now, nobody is going to be referencing wins and BA to determine a player's true worth. At least that's my prediction, anyway. JP is worthless. I don't care if he hits .290. And even then he'd have to go on a serious hot singles streak to accomplish that.

Fathom 1. Brian 0 And now one of my fantasy teams is f***ed.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 12:55 PM) I explained my position before. I thought Ozzie should be fired for that awful start, which I didn't think we'd ever dig out of. I was somewhat wrong (at least it looks that way, this team is unpredictable usually in a bad way; we could lose 5 of 6 to the cubs and it wouldnt shock me). I wouldn't balk if he got fired today even though we are starting to sniff .500 which would look really bad nationally. It wouldn't make much sense to the masses since we've crept close to being an average .500 team. At the same time I have said I think he's a great manager and will manage until the day he decides to quit. I truly believe he'd be as qualified and/or as good as whomever we hire to replace him. My guess is we'll go the boring guy route next time. I'd be up for Sandberg. No, greg. You say after just about every loss that Ozzie should be fired. I want Ozzie gone independent of if we win the division or not. I just think his act is old and his managerial skills don't justify all the other crap that you have to deal with, with him.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 20, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Lol, yea right. We may possibly be able to get Loria to agree to that if we offer to pay their payroll for the next decade. I have to say it, as I can't help myself. Phil Rogers is retarded. Yes, retarded. That is not me insulting every mentally challenged person in the world. But Phil Rogers, yes, retardation is the only suitable term I can come up with.