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QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:09 AM) I think that argument is a cop-out. Lack of religion doesn't cause people to do what that idiot did at NIU. Nor is the opposite true. I think if you start getting into that argument, we begin to fall down a slippery slope. Who's religion is more moral? It's the parents/guardians. You can't expect any external force to help raise our children. You can be moralistic without being religious...and vice versa. exactly. i've never been religious and i would also consider myself as moral as the next guy, but i didn't learn it from God or church. I learned it from my parents.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:08 AM) Sometimes, the constituency needs protection from the government. The government is not all-knowing or all-wise. It is often corrupt, stupid, incompetent, and greedy. correct, but in this case, when the stakes are peoples LIVES, i think the government has a right and an obligation to be involved.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 11:04 AM) The government database isn't a bad idea because of the money. It's a bad idea because the government has no business tracking every gun. the government has no business protecting its constituency?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:58 AM) Look at history for a moment. When did the SCOTUS rule that school prayer was unconstitutional? 61 - 62? What was our country like (exempting civil rights issues, because that is one area we have drastically improved on) at that time. America was called 'Camelot' because of the quality of life in this country. The family was still strong, the nation was strong. JFK was leading us into what appeared to be even better times. Then he was shot. The beginning of Americans not trusting their gov't started on that day. We've been on a downhill spiral ever since that happened. I happened to believe that there is a definite correlation between that decision and moral and social decay of our nation. ok, so say we take all that as a given. why is the answer forcing all kids in school to believe in the Christian God?

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:59 AM) That technology does exist. Here's the problems with that being the solution: It would require a government database and registry of all guns. It does nothing about the millions of cheap guns already out there. fine, it does nothing about the millions of guns out there but we should at least START with eliminating the source. and the war in Iraq costs what like 120 million a day? I think if we realign our priorities we could afford a government database and registry.

QUOTE(StrangeSox @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:53 AM) Marijuana is banned. It can still be obtained easier than Sudafed. good point. yeah i dunno. hey how bout this - require that all guns be made with grips that store your fingerprint so that you know who's used/registered to the gun. then people would think twice about committing a crime with it cuz they'd ID you in a heartbeat. i was kinda kidding at first but that'd be a pretty good idea... lol

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:50 AM) Can the gun grabbers explain what gun law they want passed that would have prevented this from happening? Unless it has just come out, I don't think it is known how he got the gun yet. i don't know if anything could have been done about the shotgun, but as far as the handguns are concerned - thats where a law banning handguns would have been helpful.

um yeah... where were we? Reddy thinks gun control = good Others think makes civilians less safe think that about sums it up.

ok and... back to God. question: why would God in schools help keep this from happening?

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:45 AM) The bad guys, the ones intending to harm, will ALWAYS find a way. i understand that - BUT i'd be willing to bet that the average criminal would have a much harder time acquiring and using a gun. Yes - sick and twisted individuals will always exist and always find a way, but making it harder for the average criminal to have a gun should be the goal.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:38 AM) What if a couple of those victems at Tinley Park had a gun when that sick mofo was executing one after the other? If I was on my knees with a gun at the back of my head, I would have felt a bit safer, knowing they might get him before he got me. point is... if there was better gun control your sick mofo wouldn't have had one to begin with. EDIT: Yeah... sorry for starting the gun thing... making Soxy work extra hard today w/ all these new threads. haha

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:37 AM) The problem with this move is all of the middle of the road people that have voted for Obama and feel that they are screwed over by the democratic party whether true or not can then flock over to McCain. I personally think that if it is close Obama gets the nod as he has brought about a resurgence to the race and is garnering quite a following. This is a primary not a general election the Dems need to put up the most winnable choice. As was pointed out earlier the Republicans can go full bore after Hillary and Slick Willie on a personal level. Something Obama really can not. Obama is still new to the game and has to hold back on attacking the machine. Obama can take a run at the election in 2012 especially if McCain only goes for one term. If the party really pisses off Obama and screws him over he could take his toys and go home. I believe if Hillary runs and losses she is done. what i think is that in a general election, Hillary will be able to fight fire with fire. She'll fight like a muthaf*cka against McCain, and it will be seen as ok because she doesn't have this "nice guy" image she has to maintain like Obama does. Also, everybody already KNOWS the s*** about Clinton so nothing McCain pulls out will hurt her any MORE. With Obama, a lot of people still aren't AWARE of the skeletons in his closet and they'll be able to tear his pristine image to shreds. And they will. And will he be able to fight back while keeping his hopeful optimism? I dunno...

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) I expected exactly what is happening. cool.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:31 AM) I easily see two sides to this... 1) If everyone had a gun, there could be less risk of violence because of fear of being shot back at. 2) If guns were banned to only "hunting" for civilians and handguns for law enforcement, there would be less fo a chance for guns to be grabbed by gang members and such. I dunno where I stand to be honest. I am really torn. In a case like this where it was basically a suicide gunning, even if every student had a gun he still would have killed some people. I dont like guns. I never have, I never will. They scare the $H1T out of me. if everyone had a gun there would be eternal paranoia. not something i'm too fond of.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:28 AM) I'm just gonna sit here and smile for a while, while you guys flame me. This is just too funny. dude come on, i know YOU don't believe that s*** but do you really think the Clintons hold those opinions? and on the flaming front - what did you expect? lol

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:19 AM) I have no believe any of the Clintons are racist. I agree with you on that point. HOWEVER, I dont think they are above using race to try and gain an edge. See, South Carolina. It backfired, but they tried it. oh yeah, of course they'll use dirty tactics to win an election - race being one of them - but to say they'd have him assassinated is asinine.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:17 AM) Please nice with each other. Consider this the only warning this thread will get. Personally, I am not convinced that our lack of God as a nation is the cause of the school shooting/violence in general. Several countries with MUCH more agnostic/atheist tendencies don't have NEARLY the problem we do. It's not about God. Sometimes people who are brought up in insanely religious families go apesh*t as well. Personally, it's situations like this that make me wonder why so many people are against stricter firearm regulations. i fully support hunters rights, but why do we need handguns and automatic weapons? both were ONLY designed to kill PEOPLE. There is NO reason an average civilian should need or have either.

QUOTE(Soxy @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 10:15 AM) This is not the right place for this discussion for a "god" discussion. Let's stick to worrying about the people involved and showing support and care for them in this thread please. I will start a thread in the Buster--but let's keep this one apolitical. good call.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 09:29 AM) You guys really do believe Obama is going to beat the Clinton machine, don't you? One of two things will happen. 1. Some way, shape or form the Machine will wheel and deal to get the nomination. They'll offer Obama the VP so they can put the token n***** in his place after the inauguration. I predict race riots if this happens. 2. Obama gets the nomination and Hillary gets VP. A few months into his term, so "white racist skinhead" assasinates Obama. Net Result: Hillary can be POTUS for 11.5 years. I'm leaning toward number 2 as the most likely scenario. Edit to add: I literally typed in n star star star star star ... I just feel the would be the actual Clinton perspective and used that to make that point. ... this is just idiocy. I guarantee you that no one in the Hillary camp feels that way. Since when is Hillary Clinton a racist? And saying that she would have someone assassinated is just... wow man. well done.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 09:58 AM) perhaps, but I feel like our entire culture has made this shift because of technology and lack of personal responsibility. School is just one aspect of that culture. So for me, I think it's more about people kicking God out of their lives, public arena, and in addition Churches distancing themselves from culture to "protect" its people. (all big mistakes) i think it has nothing to do with God.

QUOTE(ChiSox_Sonix @ Feb 15, 2008 -> 08:08 AM) Yea because no failed test means Bonds is/was clean... um duh... it, like, hasn't been proven man so obviously he's clean. gawd.

QUOTE(fathom @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 08:43 PM) Someone really need to teach Peters that casualties is not a good word when describing injured people. that's the technical term.

QUOTE(Steve9347 @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 08:32 PM) 4 females, 2 males (one the shooter) The teacher was actually a grad student The shooter attended NIU as recently as Spring 2007, studying Sociology in graduate school. There's a good chance I might know him, bc I minored in sociology and graduated in December 2005. That'd be really crazy. so he wasn't a current student then.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Feb 14, 2008 -> 05:46 PM) Gavin Floyd will be our 2nd best starting pitcher this year. Orlando Cabrera will disappoint. haha already lowering expectations Balta?

i am SO GLAD that there's finally PROOF though. I was getting sick of those douchebags who still tried defending him.