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White Sox is plural at all times, son. Never is one a WHITE SOCK. That's crazy talk. Anyway, this ain't no Around The Horn type thread. We don't start topics which revolve around the White Sox in here.

QUOTE(Brian @ Jul 15, 2005 -> 04:11 AM) Harden, when healthy, could be the best pitcher in baseball. I'll buy Top 10, but even when he's 100% healthy, I don't think that he's better than these guys: Pedro Martinez Roy Halladay Roger Clemens Jake Peavy Johan Santana He's an elite pitcher, though. There's no question about it. I don't care what Johan's ERA is at right now, I'll take him before Harden without blinking.

Bases juiced!

Hell yes, Frank

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 10:54 PM) I would think an expression is okay for the base of irony, as everybody knows what the expression means, making it concrete. Even though the heart has absolutely nothing to do with work ethic? I just can't see the irony there. Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 10:35 PM) and why would the fact that it's an expression cancel out the fact that it's irony? there's no reason for that. As far as I can tell, irony has to be dervied from something at its base, something concrete. Work ethic would be the base for irony, while a phrase like "he has no heart" would simply be a way of saying that he has no work ethic. Remember, the heart is merely a muscle that pumps blood, and it doesn't factor into why a guy would be lazy. It is simply an expression. Now, if Curry were healthy and he somehow managed to average like 12 rebounds per game in the playoffs last year, then THAT would have been ironic considering that his work ethic is s*** (5.2 rebounds per game during the regular season or whatever). Do you see what I'm saying here, or am I on my own planet with this?

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) There have been questions about his "heart." He had actual heart problems. See the connection? There is some irony in that, and it's far from ridiculous. Yeah, but saying that he has no heart is an expression. It's the same as saying he has no balls, no work ethic, no passion, no desire, no drive, no motivation, etc. There are so many different ways of saying that a guy just doesn't feel like putting forth an effort. Just because you choose a particular way of saying it ("he has no heart") doesn't mean that it's ironic when it runs out he has actual health concerns with his heart. Of course I see the connection, but it ain't ironic. I think it's ridiculous, but I dunno, maybe it's just me. Point is, irony is a hard word to define, but it's an easy thing to spot. It's like me saying that I post at a s***load of message boards, and I hate soxtalk the most, but I read and post here more than anywhere else.

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 09:32 PM) You're kidding, right? That song has been criticized before because most of the scenarios she presented were not ironic. Although debatable (you really have to reach and go for situational or possibly Socratic irony), most of that list is almost clearly not irony. This certainly ain't ironic: "It's the good advice that you just didn't take" It's like, don't rob that liquor store, you might end up in prison. And then, there you are, sitting in county, thinking how ironic it is that your buddy told you not to rob that liquor store. But 10,000 spoons when all you need is a knife? Irony. It's a free ride when you've already paid? Irony. Rain on your wedding day? Thin line, I'm leaning towards irony. Non-smoking sign on your cigarette break? Hmmm, I dunno. Traffic jam when you're already late? Well, you left the house late you freaking moron, maybe you'd of been able to burn some time while stuck in traffic if you had any clue how to manage your schedule. There is a thin line between irony and anything but in a lot of instances, and there a a gang of different types of irony, but the Eddy Curry thing is clearly ridiculous.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) Would Kwame be playing the same spot as Lamar Odom? Lamar Odom should go back to his natural SF position, although I'm sure he'll get minutes at PF when the Lakers are up against a smaller lineup. With his body, he shouldn't be banging night in and night out with your Kenyon Martins, Elton Brands, Carlos Boozers, etc. He's at his deadliest when he can cut and slash to the rim. He can drive in from 10 feet out and finish, not back people in with his relatively small rear end. Unless you're 7'0 or close to it like Garnett and Jermaine O'Neal, you need big hips, a big ass, and a lot of upper body strength to hang with the majority of PFs in this league. And yet, he always rebounded very well from the PF slot even when overmatched. If we're talking rebounders out of the SF slot, he'll be right there with the best of them.

I'm pretty sure I'm biting wite's style here. Irony: It's like rain on your wedding day It's a free ride when you've already paid A traffic jam when you're already late A no-smoking sign on your cigarette break It's like ten thousand spoons when all you need is a knife Not Irony: Heart problems when you have no work ethic

QUOTE(SleepyWhiteSox @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 08:57 PM) I highly doubt he puts up 20 a night. I don't equate him with that type of consistency. We'll see. If he gets 30+ minutes per, he could probably do it. I see him as a poor man's version of Jermaine O'Neal on offense. When he begins to peak, that is.

Kwame Brown could still turn into an offensive force at the PF slot. Whoever said he's cut out for the C slot in this thread is dead wrong, he just doesn't have the bulk. I won't be the least bit surprised when he starts putting in 20 per night, he'll just never be able to play effective defense because he doesn't have it upstairs. It takes a combination of work ethic, superior athleticism, and brains to play effective defense, and Kwame just doesn't have the brains.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 07:31 AM) I'd say the reference to irony is due to the fact that his heart is what's causing the health issues. Lacking heart is just another way of saying that this guy has no balls. It is an expression. Wait, let me repeat that. It is an expression. So, when I find out that Curry had a testicle removed, is it ironic? Of course not.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist, but you do have to be able to understand simple irony. and I have been saying that for a while, as he could be so much better than he is, but doesn't seem to put forth the effort. Lacking heart = bad work ethic, no passion Saying that someone lacks heart before information comes out that they have actual health issues with their heart is not irony. It's f***ing stupid. Work ethic has nothing to do with it. I've been saying that this guy doesn't work hard all along, and then I find out that he has health issues with his heart. How ironic!!!!! It's also amusing that you think you have some special insight into Curry's work ethic. It's all right there to see for anyone who watches the games. It couldn't be more obvious, it's like me uttering this: I've been saying all along that the grass is green. Excuse me while I pat myself on the back.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 05:24 AM) it's ironic though, because I've always said the one thing he lacks is heart. Are you trying to tell me that "Curry lacking heart" is a genuine insight on your part? I'd imagine that you have to be a rocket scientist to notice these things? And what's so ironic about it?

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Jul 13, 2005 -> 08:05 PM) The book was better. Can you name a case where the book wasn't better than the movie? I'm sure that there are exceptions here and there, but in the vast majority of cases, saying that the book was better is almost like saying bacon tastes good. Hmmm, are you sure about that? I did not know that. Thank you for clarifying.

Right now, I can't get enough of this Bob Dylan bootleg: Dimestore Medicine 2CD It's a mixture of live tracks, outtakes, and acoustic sessions from 1965. This stuff is terrific. Bob's harmonica is supreme.

QUOTE(3E8 @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 08:13 PM) The strange thing is, last year he actually hit RHP better than he did LHP. Like .315 on the year. For much less power than against LHP though so his OPS against righties was lower but still he was making good contact. I guess it was just an anomaly. Either way, discussing this year's Rowand in the 3 hole with the other players we have on this team is not a good idea. That's right. 2005: .250 AVG 2004: .315 AVG 2003: .250 AVG 2002: .255 AVG All kinds of messed up s*** happened at USCF last year from an offensive standpoint. Buehrle had a 5.00+ ERA

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 07:10 PM) I would like to see how Aaron has done when batting third....it seems to me he is best in that spot. Consider for a minute that the vast, vast majority of pitchers in this league are right-handed. Aaron against right-handers: AB: 218 OPS: .675 AVG: .252 I love Aaron out in the field, and I am hoping that he can finish the year with a .280 to .285 AVG, but he's extremely ineffective vs. right-handed pitching. Is that who you want batting the the #3 hole? IMO, no freaking way.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 06:31 PM) How has Santana stayed on that list when he hasn't won a game in June? Has every hit he gives up left the park or something like that? Two of his past three starts have been absolutely terrible, but he's only lost roughly 1/10 of a point off of his WHIP since June 27 (from 0.96 to 1.05). This is just presumptuous on my part, but perhaps he is pitching through an injury right now. That would be outstanding news for Sox fans. Maybe a more knowledgeable baseball man that I can chime in and explain what the deal is with Johan.

ASB Update: Minimum 70 IP 1. Pedro Martinez 0.84 WHIP 2. Roger Clemens 0.95 WHIP 3. Roy Halladay 0.96 WHIP 4. Jake Peavy 1.01 WHIP 5. Johan Santana 1.05 WHIP 6. Mark Prior 1.05 WHIP 7. Chris Carpenter 1.07 WHIP 8. Matt Morris 1.07 WHIP 9. Jon Garland 1.08 WHIP 10. Roy Oswalt 1.08 WHIP 11. Mark Buehrle 1.11 WHIP 12. Ben Sheets 1.13 WHIP 13. Dontrelle Willis 1.14 WHIP 14. Paul Byrd 1.14 WHIP 15. Brett Myers 1.14 WHIP 16. Bartolo Colon 1.14 WHIP 17. Andy Pettite 1.16 WHIP 18. Freddy Garcia 1.18 WHIP 19. Josh Beckett 1.18 WHIP 20. John Patterson 1.18 WHIP Newcomers: John Patterson Freddy Garcia is hanging on for dear life, if he sucks in his next start he's outta there. Paul Byrd? Someone tell me about this guy, because there are some things that I could just never understand. We're taliing about a pitcher that no knowledgeable baseball head would have drafted in any fantasy league. I think back to his days with the Royals. Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens continue to have legendary years. They're two of the Top 10 pitchers in the history of major league baseball, that is damn near unquestionable at this point. Chris Carpenter just keeps coming, y'all. Now he's starting the All Star game? Wow.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Jul 8, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) Ice Cube

QUOTE(needauribe @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 03:55 AM) I've got that one. It's kind of tough for me deciding when/where to wear it. I don't want little kids to see it and I don't want to get my ass kicked by a drunk cubs fan somewhere.

QUOTE(whitesoxmanager @ Jul 11, 2005 -> 03:48 AM) You forgot Detroit...IMO they are better now than both Cleveland & Minny... Come on. The Twins are a much better team than Detroit. You have got to be the only person on this site who would say otherwise. I like Detroit's defense up the middle, a few of their young pitchers, and their batting order when everyone is healthy. 85 wins wouldn't be out of the question for that team. However, the Twins have one of the the best overall pitching staffs in the majors, and arguably the best bullpen in the majors. Their position players ain't too shabby either. They are, without question, a 90 win team, and that is not something you can say about the Tigers.