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QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 05:50 PM) How has age not come up in this thing? Boras does not put a gun to anyone's head, owners pay the money he wants. Brian Anderson is worth more to everyone except the Yankees. Juan Pierre is not that good. Gammons is an idiot on all things except the Red Sox and music you have never heard of. Gammons is no more of an idiot than all the homers on soxtalk ( and rightfully so).

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Nov 23, 2005 -> 12:02 AM) Yeah, Marbury is just another one-on-one streetball legend that could never adapt to a TEAM game. He would be WAY up there on my list of most-hated players along with Antoine Walker, Steve Francis, Allen Iverson, Ben Gordon, Drew Gooden, Ricky Davis, Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse, Keith Van Horn, Mike Dunleavy, Juwan Howard, Eddie Jones, Damon Stoudamire, Jason Williams, Wally Szczerbiak, Michael Olowakandi, Vince Carter, Jamal Crawford, Tim Thomas, Jerome James, Eddy Curry, Bonzi Wells, Danny Fortson, Jalen Rose, Rafer Alston, etc. If I'm in a fantasy league, I'm not drafting any of these guys on principle. Please add darius miles. Every time i see him i wish some one would elbow him in the face.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) If he got Ozuna 3 years, 6 mill per, I would probably kiss Boras on the lips. But he could easily get Crede 4-5 years, $6-7 mill per. I don't know how...because if I did, I would tell the world. But I'm sure he could. So your saying when he is a free agent, and if he continues to put up the numbers he has thus far in his career, he will get 4-5 years 6-7 million per? My ass. More like a 2/3 deal with an option for 3.5-5 million a season.

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- One of baseball's most fearsome offensive duos -- the Boston Red Sox's David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez -- appears to be history. According to Ortiz, "Manny is not returning to Boston." "Manny is living through a difficult situation [in Boston] that only he and his family know, and he no longer wants to play there," said Ortiz after arriving early Monday in the Dominican Republic. Ramirez has asked for a trade in each of his five seasons with the Red Sox, but apparently this one is definite. "I spoke with him last week before he left for Brazil and he told me that he wants to go to a team in the West," Ortiz, the Red Sox's designated hitter, said. Ramirez has three years worth $160 million remaining on his contract with the Red Sox. Because of his status as a player with 10 seasons in the major leagues and five with the same team, he is allowed to approve any trade. "I found out that that they are doing everything possible to trade him," Ortiz said. The Los Angeles Angeles of Anaheim have been named as a possible destination for Ramirez, as well as the New York Mets. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2233656

Maybe if jim thome starts posting here before we trade for him we will be bigger than sons of sam horn.

Pretty annoying that people think boras will ever rape us with crede unless he goes adrian beltre on us anytime soon. People here would think he can get pablo ozuna 3 years six million per year else where...

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 12:14 PM) Is Florida really that much more moderate. I mean its humid and hot there or thats what I always here. I've never been there, but I'm guessing its pretty miserable there during the summer as well. It's in the seventies and eighties every day and it ends up raining for about ten minutes every day at some point it seems. I would think it is a very good playing condition.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 01:56 AM) Doesn't Boston still have David Wells under contract? Yes, but he will be traded to the west coast before spring training.

Unless we can offer him a starting job he will not be coming here. Since we do not have an open place for him to start at...

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 22, 2005 -> 12:29 AM) So would it be fair to say he could/can handle 30 games per year there? And another -- I dunno, 40-50 at third? If he could spell Crede and Iguchi, and come at a reasonable price, I'd love to see Mueller here. But, that seems like it could blow up if one starts b****ing about being the 'full-time' starter. And, it might cost us a draft pick if Boston offers Mueller arbitration. I'm on the fence. Without looking at statistics i don't believe mueller has ever been very good at second.... just as he isn't at third... Whenever i see him at second he looks very out of place, uncomfortable if you will.

Garnett has been getting traded for three years now. It's getting as bad as vince carter rumors now.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 11:04 PM) Just heard Gammons on the ESPN radio on the trade with Beckett, he mentioned the Cubs are throwing 12 mil at Howry..Didn't go into years. Man they never learn their lesson, one good year does not equal greatness.. Has to be three years for 12 million... considering that is what he is looking for.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) Thanks for contributing to the thread. I know, i made it worse. Ooooooooops i did it again...

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Nov 21, 2005 -> 09:57 PM) This quote just proves you don't know what you're talking about. Rowand played shallower than any CFer in the history of USCF. I noted he was playing about 5 feet farther in this year as early as the second week of the season. It's the reason he was much better defensively this year. Before he was going back and waiting under the ball at the wall. When he moved closer, he was still able to get back on the ball, but was able to cover far more ground in front of him and in the gaps. But yeah, he just played farter back so nothing got over his head. :rolly: I value Rowand's defense, yes, but I don't think he's super human. I may be one of his biggest critics when it comes to his play at the plate. I have a very realistic view of his value. It varies from team to team. To the Yankees, he has less value than say Torri Hunter, but to the Fish, he has more. Why? salary. It's simple. The Marlins are looking to dump payroll. But a Rowand for Pierre trade saves them a minimal amount. Rowand+Marte+specs for Delgado unloads tons of money. I'm all for trading Rowand. 1) he's in demand. 2) Because he's locked up on the cheap, he's never likely to have a higher value. 3) there appears to be a replacement in Brian N Anderson waiting in the wings. 4) The Sox need to get value out of their system. Look, Remember the '01-02 Twins. They had a ton of OFers on the cusp of the Majors. Kielty, Mohr, Kubel, Restovich, Ford. They had Jones and Hunter locked up... They appeared to be in a position to acquire a few arms and make a real run at the title. Instead they hung onto those chips for too long, and found that they didn't have much value anymore. They would be in a much different position if they were looking to trade some of those guys at the beginning of '01 instead of playing is close to the vest and holding on to them all. You don't trade from your strength, to acquire more of the same. With Rowand, Anderson, Young, and even Podsednik and Owens to an extent. We have an abundance of speedy centerfield types. What we don't have is a left handed bat with power anywhere close to being ready to contribute on the major league level. So you package one of those 5 names with some pitching and you find that on the open market. Pierre for Rowand at best is trading a quater for 2 dimes, a nickel, and a penny. I thought you were not gonna talk about this topic much? A thread should never be 22 pages about juan pierre unless we acquire him.

QUOTE(somedouchefrommlb.com @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 11:23 PM) I heard that the Sox's rings were going to be the ones where you put a quarter in and turn a dial, and out pops a plastic shell with one of those fabulous rings, you know, the machines that most hicks like you run for money to grease the mullet up? Is there any truth to this rumor?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 20, 2005 -> 12:33 AM) You mean as an all-around player, right? I lied... just hoping soxpranos would eventually stop.

Pierre is better than rowand. The debate ends here.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 06:12 PM) What I said is that if Pierre does replace Rowand, Ozzie must think that it wouldn't be a defensive downgrade [maybe a slight, but not a big difference]. If Pierre can get to more balls than Rowand--very possible, no matter how good Arow's jumps are, which directly leads to more outs--having a weaker arm isn't the be all end all. Pods had the rep about not getting good jumps and reads on balls. Pierre just has a rep for having a weak arm. But again, Ozzie knows all about Pierre and what he would bring to the sox. Seeing how Ozzie has been all about defense, I'd find it hard to believe he'd add a much weaker outfielder to CF. I'm not going to defend Pierre because I don't know him. But if he's traded for, my money says he'll be fine in Cf for the sox. Pierre is not half the fielder rowand is so you can throw that theory out the window. Like cwsguy said there basically isn't defensive statistic avaliable that shows they are comparable defenders. All in all rowand> pierre... but only slightly imo.

QUOTE(Pierzynski 12 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 05:19 PM) Aren't you a little old for Harry Potter? People of all ages read these books... so i would say no he isn't.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 08:23 AM) That is sweat and you know it. Fairly f***ign disgusting either way. I mean seriously... who sweats that much... and sweats enough that is looks like you pissed yourself? I have never see something like this in my entire life, would have thought i would while playing and watching lots of sports.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 10:56 AM) this is NOT a Kids Movie. It is an action Movie. Spy kids wasn't a kids movie either...

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) Sure it would. You'd be replacing Rowand with Pierre. Pierre is worse (I'm not sure how much worse, but it's fairly substantial) defensively than Rowand is. So, you're losing runs on defense. And, I don't see a whole lot of offense improvement from Pierre... He might have the edge, but I think he's giving it right back 'cause he isn't anywhere near the defender that Rowand is. But hey -- we'll have some more stolen bases. So that's good. Beck, you go ahead and find me a statistic that shows Pierre being a better defender than Rowand. Please, do so. Name six better defensive centerfielders. http://www.protrade.com/insight/InsightArt...utfieldArm.html Scroll to the bottom for pierre.

QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 03:17 PM) And Rowand is? Rowand has much more flaws than Pierre. Like No offense, strikes out 2 times as much as Pierre, cant make the routinecatch on bloops over 2nd base that have fallen for (last time I counted over 50 hits) Hits. No threat on the Pads when he actually gets on. Cant bunt for crap, just that reason alone is worth trading Rowand. How many times he couldnt get a simple bunt down is just ridiculous. How bad is our team as a whole bunting wise? We should be trading everyone offensively but about three. Fifty routine catches? You said fifty routine bloop hits...

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 19, 2005 -> 06:42 AM) Scott's is as well. Yes, but he will just go to arbitration and will have no chance to leave. After pierre puts up very good numbers ( he most likely will in a contract year) he will go off to rape a team.