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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 09:58 PM) He's actually been quite good in the 2nd half. And yeah, saying he is worse than Will Ohman... just a wee bit over the top. Matt Thornton is a mental midget. I'm sure as soon as the Tigers game went final he was thinking don't put me in.

So many minefields in that pen, thank goodness they got out of it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 07:14 PM) I don't even think that Viciedo's plate discipline was awful in terms of chasing pitches way out of the zone. What was baffling was how he seemed to swing and miss so many hanging breaking pitches right down the plate. His swing path doesn't make use of his so called light tower power. We all know about his contact problem, but he he hits the ball on the ground too much as well.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 06:18 PM) It all runs together. If Dayan lays off some of the terrible pitches he goes after & also relaxes a bit in the box, he'll stay in his ABs longer, which will lead to more walks, more hits, more power. That increase in BA, OBP, SLG will move him up in the order into more of an RBI position, which will make him even more dangerous and harder to pitch to. Right now Dayan is getting himself out more than the opposition is. The scouting report is getting him out, not necessarily great pitches. Viciedo looks like he feels the pressure & that's not going to work for him. With his bat speed and power the other way he shouldn't have to jump out guessing fastball trying to hit it 700 ft. He needs to learn he can take a pitch, not necessarily to draw a walk, but to prevent the opposition from getting ahead of him without having to throw the ball in the zone. I cited Vlad because Vlad is proof you don't need great discipline to be an elite hitter. Vlad would regularly go after the face-high fastball 2-0, start the AB off by swinging at a slider in the dirt in the LH batters box to go 0-1, etc. even when he was going good. Remember how badly the Angels fans wanted him gone after the Sox pitching staff completely worked him over in the 2005 ALCS? When Vlad was Viciedo's age he put up a 150+ OPS. If Viciedo played a premium defensive position you could afford to wait on his bat to develop. LF'ers have to produce pretty much from day 1.

QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 04:41 PM) I would be more willing to move him back to first after Konerko leaves. I can't imagine him at third being all that impressive, I'm sure its better than Miguel Cabrera, but that isn't really saying much. Can't waste first base on Viciedo who's a 6-7 hitter in a lineup unless you have bats at catcher, short, and center. And then only maybe.

Move Viciedo back to third. His bat plays a lot better there and it's a rebuild anyway.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 01:02 PM) They were in first place for 120+ days of this season. This sentence makes no sense in the context of this season. The White Sox will end up where they have so many times in the recent past, middle-of-the-pack. It is up to Sox management, not the fans, to break that cycle.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 11:42 AM) I think you are giving the White Sox fanbase way too much credit. In order to fill the Cell, you need to be in the playoffs, period. 8th best team in AL isn't going to cut it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2012 -> 11:05 AM) And as I keep saying, this isn't a just this week phenomenon. Attendance has been falling for six years now. Even in a season where we were in first place for about 3/4 of the season, our attendance numbers are down pretty significantly over last year. All of the hardcore Soxtalk fans are fighting to be the first off of the bandwagon and claim they aren't watching anymore. For my two cents, you can't not go to games as a fan base, but then in the same breath complain that no one is covering or broadcasting your games. Given the choice between the White Sox, or a team that is in the top 10 in attendance, who is going to be more attractive to put on their network? Which team is probably going to generate more hits in a column? Given the choice, of course the media is going to go with another story. The White Sox bandwagon is emptying, not just this week, but over the last seven years now. The White Sox bandwagon is emptying because there is no faith in this organization to put a championship team on the field. The fans are completely justified in their skepticism about this organization's competence.

QUOTE (Baron @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:40 PM) Think of where people had us before the season. I bet half the people on this board wouldnt be posting if this team was playing like they were expected to. 8th best team in AL is nothing to crow about.

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:36 PM) Nobody missed the point, except for you missing mine. Let me spell it out because you missed it: Our front office doesn't know it's head from it's ass. Moving KW out of his role is a step in the right direction, albeit a very minor, nearly insignificant step. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I think this is a very good assessment.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:32 PM) more mental midgets 2nd tier NL talent free agents who never been in a post season too much financial resources in the DH position That's the KW era. I'll take better scouting and better minor league instruction. In other words a plan. Everyone loves "going for it" every year, well this has been the end result far too often.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:25 PM) No reason to be a dickhead you f***ing n00b, I'm just saving you money on that Brent Morel jersey you were gonna buy. If it's a Charlotte jersey it is money well spent.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:21 PM) It would appear that the White Sox began their slide when Francisco Liriano coughed up that 3-run lead in KC. Not much good has happened since the 5th inning of that game, and that sucks. You know, I thought it was weird to take Myers out with 1-out left in the 9th vs. Tigers, replacing him with Reed. The players must have been like WTF at such a blatant move to not have Myers option kick in.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 10:11 PM) Disagree. I think he's done a tremendous job getting this far with a bullpen of rookies. Sure he made his mistakes, but to compete for the division until the last week of the season? I don't know how you can be hard on the guy. It's not like he was handed the keys to the Yankees. Absolutely. This pitching staff has simply been unmanageable the last 6 weeks of the season.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 09:33 PM) It never is. You should all feel ashamed. This is a joke, right?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 08:32 PM) So does yours. Dick Allen writing your material now? Good stuff.

QUOTE (daggins @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 08:35 PM) He's been very lucky with men in scoring position, which has of course dried up lately (like everyone else on the team) and nobody's defense is good enough to make up for a .266/.289/.369 right on cue, Peavy. Can't wait til you're gone, chump. Rios would easily have 10 more RBI's if Dunn and Konerko didn't have to be held at third. Ramirez RBI total has been the beneficiary of that.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 07:53 PM) Great. Then why are you evaluating the evaluators of MLB talent? His record speaks for itself.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 07:52 PM) A team that was expected to be more like 10-12 in the AL, which has outperformed expectations. 10 to 8. Golf clap for KW.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 07:48 PM) They would have battled foe the best record had KW listened to your advice and picked up Pierre and Zambrano. Golf clap. I don't get paid to evaluate MLB talent.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 07:19 PM) So now the guy that was brought in as an extra starter, and acquired for absolutely nothing, is the reason that Kenny should be fired? excuse me while I LMFAO at this thread. No. The reason he should be fired is because he has put together the 8th best team in the AL. Another team in the middle-of-the-pack.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) I think that is it. Plus the lack of trust in Reinsdorf. (much of it is ignorance) It seems like when a Sox player's contract is up there is more pessimism of them getting signed than optimism. They let that part get played way too much in the press. No doubt there is a lack of trust in Reinsdorf and as you say much of it is ignorance. There is a lot of things this organization does right unfortunately winning isn't one of those things. It amazes me the arrogance they operate with - you'd think they've got everything figured out. No changes in 6 years with 1 playoff win, but it doesn't stop their announcers or GM from blaming the fans. I hope the Hahn move signals a change in the "us v. them" attitude this franchise has had for so long, but I doubt it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 05:39 PM) I disagree with that. We had a pretty good product on the field this season. What I've lost faith in is our organization to avoid doing so many weird, unexplainable things: win four-five in a row, then immediately lose 5 in a row over and over, and above all else inability to win divisional games. I think a lot of us thought we'd have a Braves-like run in us after 2005. Win the division A LOT, make the playoffs a LOT. We've had the talent to do so, but not the ability to overcome the twilight zone. 8th best team in the AL is very much mediocre and I could not disagree more with the idea that we've had the talent to make a Braves-like run after '05.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 27, 2012 -> 04:44 PM) My question is - which pitcher on our staff would you have had starting the Liriano games that you claim he hurt us in. If Liriano hurt us more than he helped us it implies that there was someone on our staff you feel that could have started those games and had better results. Which pitcher is it? You need a SP desperately and KW rolls the dice on Liriano. Turned out to be a terrible move. As far as free talent goes, Eric Stultz has given the Padres 93 innings, with the shape the Sox staff is in, no doubt he could have helped.