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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 13, 2012 -> 08:03 AM) 1. As others have said, that crowd generally preferred Romney, mostly because it meant less regulation. So now they are leaving and taking their ball home... temporarily. They will come crawling back later. Sure the super wealthy will be back spending, creating jobs, etc... at some point, but it will be on their terms. In the interim they are going to remain super wealthy and cut expenses which will hurt the rest of us. When you have that kind of money you hold the cards and don't have to crawl back.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 7, 2012 -> 05:35 PM) This, by the way, is something probably very upsetting to the GOP looking forward. Not only all the problems they will have that will worsen in terms of the makeup of the electorate... but I am sure they know that, no matter who was elected President, there is a very good chance the economy will get stronger at some point in the next few years. And with a Dem in the White House, that could spell big trouble for the GOP in 2014 Midterms and the 2016 General. Not to mention the GOP is defending a lot more Senate seats in 2014 than they were this year. The only thing that kept this from being a complete disaster, was that they happened to control most state legislatures in 2010-2012 when redistricting was occurring, which is why the House makeup stayed static. If not for that, they may have lost the house too. I believe after a weak recovery we're in for another recession in '13-'14. I would have preferred not to have a lame-duck President in office over the next four years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2012 -> 01:23 PM) Chicago White Sox ‏@whitesox In his new role, Bell will assist w/ major-league roster & staffing decisions & undertake amateur & special assignment scouting assignments. What has Bell done to warrant a promotion.

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 06:08 PM) I don't mean to rain on this parade, but I'm going to right now: feel free to ignore me The Choke-ago White Sox left a bad taste in my mouth by choking in the last 3 weeks of the regular season. Bringing back the same guys who contributed to that choke does not fill me with a bunch of confidence. Now I realize the choke was not really the fault of the pitching staff but...I will save my happiness until I see some good moves being made with the offense, and by that I mean bringing in some new blood and not just resigning the same old guys who choked. flame shields activated They choked because they didn't have enough pitching. At the start of last season, only Danks and Floyd could be counted on for 180 innings. If they keep this rotation intact, you can see four guys who could pitch 180, big difference.

QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 30, 2012 -> 05:52 PM) Surprising news on Peavy. For only two guaranteed years, I like it even if the yearly amount is high. The thought of a rotation of a healthy Sale, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, and Quintana sounds great, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if Floyd and/or Quintana got traded in the offseason. The Sox have other needs--catcher, 3B. We'll see. Surprising indeed. Probably was a make-good from being injured, shows a lot of character on Peavy's part. As far as roster make up goes, I'd like to see them stay with the rotation of Sale, Peavy, Danks, Floyd, and Quintana because of injuries. See if they can re-tool the offense/save money by dealing Rios and Ramirez.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 04:39 PM) Swisher has never had a year, before or after Ozzie, like he did playing for Ozzie. Swisher was brought in to play CF. A position he has played once since leaving the Sox.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 04:58 PM) The attendance is an issue only as far as payroll is included. Other than that, I could care less. It is lazy media and Cub fans desperate for something. And as far as payroll goes, they won more games the year after the cut ~$30M.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 04:48 PM) That is a non sequitor. I'm not one of those self-righteous and lazy media types preaching to fans about getting to the ballpark or not being good fans. So you think the attendance issue is a red herring too?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 04:38 PM) With all due respect, that narrative is purposefully narrow-minded. The team was in first place for 75% of the season. At that time no one was saying anything about the 7th best team in the AL, or whatever they were. They were talking about the first place White Sox. What is an acceptable season attendance number for 2012.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 03:46 PM) Just win. That's all it takes. Competitive doesn't work. Exactly. I don't understand what people would consider acceptable attendance for the Sox when they finish with the 8th best record in the league given that their attendance has historically lagged results on the field. Nothing new to see here.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 10:11 AM) You are still way above 85 wins. I personally don't necessarily blame Ozzie for Dunn/Rios, although an argument could be made. Supposedly Rios and Ozzie were buddies but I don't know if that was true all along which could explain the getting away with loafing or he suddenly became Ozzie's pal when he had to be separated from KW. Ozzie spouts off that he knew Dunn was going to be bad in spring training but it took him over 100 games to move him down in the line up when he wasn't managing to win but managing to try to make his boss look bad. To not notice or to let it slide because of 2005, would question fanhood to me. 89 wins last year doesn't get you to the postseason. Some "All-In" season.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 09:40 AM) The difference between Dunn and Rios WAR from 2011 to 2012 was about 10. If in contention they don't dump Jackson, and probably add. Considering they won 79 as it was, you're probably not correct. The difference between Sale/Buehrle and Peavy was about -7. Put Sale in the pen and it probably is -5

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 09:28 AM) 2012 wasn't all in. 2011 was. You don't get rid of the players they did and call this "all-in" 2011's "all-in" team wasn't going to win more than 85 games with a top-of-the-rotation of Buehrle/Danks as opposed to Sale/Peavy regardless of how Dunn and Rios played.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 09:11 AM) And despite your quoting fail, "All in" failed under Ozzie's leadership. Someone new at the helm, with much less talent, won more games. Ozzie went to Florida and won less games than the previous manager, with much more talent... again having talented vets with very good histories, suddenly have career worst years under him. Sound familiar? After 2012 the view is clear. Kenny wasn't the problem, Ozzie was. You backed General Lee and lost. When you go "all in" and under the most optimal circumstances still likely not break 85 wins that is sad.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2012 -> 08:41 AM) 2012 was to a large extent due to rebounds from guys who died under Ozzie, and the farm system way out performing anything anyone outside of the organization ever predicted them to do. 2011 was "all in". Replace 2012 Sale with 2011 Buehrle and 2012 Peavy with 2011 Peavy and the 2011 team doesn't win more than 84 games either regardless of Rios and Dunn.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 03:56 PM) Do you have to pollute every thread with this, even when it is completely unrelated? Not to mention the idea in your post is absurd. You are saying a business is happy to make less money because it distracts from a quality argument? That is laughable. I think your still starry-eyed from having Boyer chat you up.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) Cuz he is an insensitive, narcissistic idiot. Who won a World Series as a manager. Goodness, you'd think Guillen was Gene Lamont reading this board.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 10:31 AM) His last few years here, Ozzie Guillen was the single biggest destroyer of Kenny Williams deals. 2012 proved just that. ?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 10:01 AM) I can't believe you are still holding on to that narrative. What did Williams win without Guillen?

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 27, 2012 -> 09:56 AM) It's not that difficult to figure out. Explain it to me then.

The Sox are thankful for their attendance problem because the narrative of the offseason is how do we get fans in the park instead of another second half collapse.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 20, 2012 -> 08:05 PM) Thankfully Ozzie had that great playoff run as soon as got away from the Sox... Don't understand the Guillen hatred here. He was very good at his job in 2005, but has lost his way since. Same as Kenny Williams.

KW isn't going to be around very long. A year or two, after that whenever an attractive GM job opens he's gone.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 23, 2012 -> 06:28 PM) Mark Kotsay being a starter and main DH was 100% Ozzie. KW specifically wanted Thome, Ozzie said no I want a guy who plays the field, so Kotsay was his DH and occasional 1B. Absolve KW of any blame for Thome, but Guillen gets the credit for Garcia then.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2012 -> 06:15 PM) The reverberations from Ozzie's time here are amazing. We are still suffering because he wanted Mark f***ing Kotsay instead of Jim Thome. I'll accept that, but he had more to do with Freddy Garcia being in a Sox uniform than he did Mark Kotsay.