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I hope Viciedo is benched when Dunn returns.

The problem really is its an unmanagable bullpen. Best we got is mediocre guys.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 12:45 PM) Your guy must have heard Hawk last night. I didn't see the broadcast neither did my guy.

My guy at Sox park has heard Konrko's been playing with a fractured hand/wrist for quite some time.

The Sox aren't equipped to win games when their starter goes 5.2 innings.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 11, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) “I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our US Cellular home, to ride out the storm of Miggy, Prince, and that ugly bastard Delmon Young, and to outlive the menace of Detroit, if necessary for 22 more games, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of our Chicago White Sox-every man of them. That is the will of Kenny, Jerry, Robin and the White Sox Nation. The White Sox and all who play the Tigers, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength. Even though large tracts of the schedule and many weekends have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Tigers and all the odious apparatus of Detroit rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in Chicago, we shall fight in Minnesota we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in Kansas City, we shall defend our Divisional lead, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches of Anaheim, we shall fight on the landing grounds of Cleveland we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Organization or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the dugout, armed and guarded by the fans of the south side of Chicago, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the White Sox Organization, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the AL Central Division.” Outstanding.

At this point, I'd rather have funnyman Artie Johnson in the lineup v. RHers than Viciedo, so yes I think Dan Johnson should be playing.

Home opener because it served notice.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 8, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) AKA, exactly where we were coming in to this season, except with $25 million cleared in AJ and Peavy, and a whole lot more experience and confidence in the kids out in the bullpen. Worse. The entire IF needs to be replaced within 2 years, Danks is an albatross, and Reed is nowhere close to being "a machine built to close games."

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 8, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) Wha? I feel better about this team for next year, than I do for this year. Danks back, Sale/Quintana stretched out for innings, Peavy or Floyd maybe back or maybe not, Dunn is back to being himself, Beckham seems to be making strides, Viciedo developing, Rios playing up to his talent, young bullpen getting experience, a few good prospects making the minors a little better... really the only big concerns I have about 2013 are catcher and third base (and AJ may come back). Not sure why I'm taking this bait either, I should probably have just let it go. Other than Sale, none of the young players have done enough for me to feel confident that they can be significant pieces going forward. The core of Konerko, Rios, and Dunn are all a year older, AJ and Peavy are free-agents, and Danks is a 4-year albatross.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 8, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) I was thinking the same exact thing. There is no MLB games scheduled in Dec. . . . And Nate Jones will still let an inherited runner score.

Because Nate Jones is worse.

We should enjoy this because after this year the immediate future of this team does not look promising.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 09:16 PM) I think JR is still thinking he'd like LaRussa with the Sox in some way, and Colby Rasmus on the roster probably doesn't increase the odds of that happening. Yep, I'd be surprised if Chairman Reinsdorf didn't know how LaRussa felt about Rasmus and KW would of had a difficult time explaining why he traded for him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 08:30 PM) You're... 1) Deliberately ignoring all the time he has missed this season...who would have played his position, Viciedo? Danks? Fukudome? You're severely UNDERESTIMATING the negative impact it would have on Dayan's development to just jerk him around between AAA and the majors, from position to position, you just don't do that to your premiere upper levels hitting prospect. Who's to say that Dayan wouldn't have been hitting great the first two months and then you would have just benched him? If you can imagine Quentin putting up the same numbers for the ENTIRE season without being injured, well, we might as well pretend Dayan was lighting up the majors like he was hitting in Charlotte in May/June 2011. 2) Danks, Ohman, Thornton and Crain...those salary dollars have hurt us a lot more than Dayan, Beckham or even Morel...because we found YOUK to replace Brent, for one thing. 3) You keep overestimating Ramirez's trade value or seriously underestimating how important he is to the White Sox, or both. By your logic, we should be trading Konerko, Dunn and Rios as well this offseason, right? Especially Dunn and Rios. Let's say we had to trade AJ's salary in order to keep Quentin on the roster. That's a legitimate possibility. Obviously, Tyler Flowers wasn't going to put up those same numbers, so no matter what you argue about Carlos vs. Dayan, Flowers vs. AJ is going to undercut ANY benefit you might have gotten from getting Viciedo out of the line-up. Finally, when you do have a lower cost player that you've spent 3+ years developing in Viciedo, it makes ZERO sense to hold on to the much more expensive player...because for the 100th time, Quentin CAN NEVER STAY HEALTHY. If you could guarantee CQ was going to put up 2008 first five month numbers for the remainder of a 3-4 year contract, I'd say sign him tomorrow for $20 million per season. But we all know that's not the player we would get. It's another version on a smaller scale of the problem every team considering Josh Hamilton would have...CQ, because of injuries and streakiness, Hamilton because of his off-field issues, health and age. It's only my opinion.

I remember hearing last year that Thornton's deal wouldn't prevent him from being moved. I think we'll be looking at the same problem with Ramirez this time next year. Anyway, for all the kudos KW has gotten for Quintana and the rookies on the staff, the Quentin deal was a talent evaluation mistake, and a not too small one at that given where the Sox are currently. There's no doubt in my mind that if the front office thought he was going to put up the numbers he has with the Padres, he'd still be here at $7M. Actually would have cost them $6M because there'd be no need to sign Fukudome and you could still have Viciedo.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:17 PM) I don't know how you can say it was a bad move without taking into consideration all the other moves made ,all the time he missed and the salary saved. Everything is related and unless you can say how you would have saved salary , accounted for the time lost and other moves that you would 've made saying that single move was bad is tunnel vision. With the team competing very well I doubt your plan if you had one would've produced better results. a 1y/$7M deal would have been more than affordable for the Sox. Thing is, KW gambled that Viciedo would out produce Quentin this year and he was wrong. Could cost the Sox a postseason appearance.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:07 PM) Rios is a prototypical 3rd hitter Doesn't get on base enough. I'd rather have Quentin hit 3.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 09:03 PM) Also worth noting that we got Liriano with 1 of the 2 returned pieces? Still bad idea. This lineup could desperately use Quentin's bat. H was the closest think the Sox had to a #3 hitter.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 08:48 PM) Ha fantastic! What was so fantastic about it? Trading Quentin was a bad move.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 07:30 PM) Did you not just imply Quentin would be our best hitter had KW held on to him? Yes. .873 OPS with home games in Petco is not bad.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 07:22 PM) He's played in 77 games, quit f***ing trolling. 77 games, what's your point?

It takes baseball intellect not to deal away what would be the team's best offensive player.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:13 AM) Carlos has Viciedo in two categories, and that is walks which gives him a better OBP. Everything else is pretty damn close to what Viciedo is giving, plus much better defense. And lets not even mention how many games Quentin misses on a yearly basis Quentin: .262/.371/.502 in 77 games Viciedo: .239/.282/.371 in his last 77 games So an .873 OPS for Quentin in the toughest hitters park in MLB versus a .653 for Viciedo over that same time. Huge difference.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 5, 2012 -> 11:11 AM) He has played 77 game this year. Who played LF for the other 50 in your scenario? I don't know, probably Viciedo.