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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 07:13 PM) But those moves are not Hudson (for Garcia), Danks (for Pierre) and Flowers at this point. We have no replacement for Teahen, except Nix or Vizquel, and we know neither of those are good long-term moves because Nix isn't an everyday player. Well, maybe we'll find out...but Ozzie will go down with Omar (as long as he's manager) while Vizquel is still on the roster before he gives Nix an everyday job again. Maybe Hudson for Garcia, but we'll stick with Jones...and, as KW has proven beyond a reasonable doubt, it's close to impossible for him to find a leadoff hitter from outside of the organization. Wise, Owens...Pierre? Swisher? Cabrera? I'm going to keep harping on him not looking at Orlando Hudson coming into 2009 OR 2010. You have to pick between Rios and Beckham for leadoff, neither are ideal. Of course, it's ironic that Chris Young and Pods are playing so well...but they're no longer in our organization. I'm still thinking that losing Juan Uribe was the biggest mistake...even though it received the least amount of attention. Don't get too hung up on who'll leadoff. Danks and Flowers should be on the roster replacing Kotsay and Nix and at the very least one of them should be in the lineup every game with Pierre going to the bench. That's not to say Danks and Flowers are the answers, but it's become pretty clear that the answer isn't on the bench either.

They'll do something. Danks and Flowers replace Nix and Kotsay on the roster. Jones, Danks, Rios L-to-R, Quentin DH against Righties. Jones, Rios, Quentin L-to-R, Flowers C/DH vs lefties.

QUOTE (beckham15 @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 05:27 PM) haha and this is from the guy who says to play kotsay over pierre everyday You are digging your "I do not understand the game" hole deeper with this comment my friend and the best part of it is you're proud of it.

QUOTE (beckham15 @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 05:25 PM) dude why even comment everything you say makes no sense thorton is one of the staples of our pen You don't understand the game.

Thornton's gives up too many big runs.

Stop giving Pierre AB's.

QUOTE (fathom @ Apr 17, 2010 -> 04:37 PM) Westbrook pitched around Beckham to set up the double play. First pitch is a low and in sinker, and Quentin chased it. If that was our game plan to chase the low and in sinker, then Walker should be fired immediately. Westbrook isn't going to strike you out, so the game plan should be "make him get the pitch up in the zone". Did you play the game because you have all the answers. That pitch looked hittable then had good late movement.

QUOTE (scenario @ Apr 16, 2010 -> 02:06 PM) I don't get it. Does Viciedo have to get hits every day to avoid being criticized? He went 2-4 plus a walk on Tuesday, and 2-4 on Wednesday... But goes hitless on Thursday and gets called out by people? No power, no walks, too many K's, to go along with less than glowing scouting reports. Oh yeah, that $10M price tag doesn't help people's perception either.

Your leadoff hitter bunting to get a guy from 2nd to 3rd with no one out in the 6th inning is terrible baseball, but that's Pierre's game.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Apr 15, 2010 -> 10:41 AM) any lineup that has kotsay in it is bad Same with Pierre. Problem is, Pierre will stay in the lineup much longer than he should because he's owed $8M.

QUOTE (beckham15 @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) where did i ever say it was a position? it is a place in the batting order and im not even going to reply to your comment about kotsay being a better hitter than pierre Pierre and Kotsay are both bad. The biggest reason that Pierre has a seemingly guaranteed spot in the lineup is because they're obligated to pay him $8M over the next 2 years.

QUOTE (southsidepride15 @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 05:22 PM) I'm not even going to comment on this lineup. This is killin me tho....what's the "B" in front of TQC's name stand for??? "B" = "Batter"

QUOTE (beckham15 @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 05:05 PM) kotsay cant put us in scoring position if he gets a single....pierre has speed and takes alot of pitches. If you put Kotsay at leadoff he's going to get out just as much as pierre has if not more Pierre isn't a better hitter than Kotsay and "leadoff hitter" is not a position.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Apr 14, 2010 -> 05:00 PM) Pierre is still a lifetime .300 hitter with a career .335 OBP. That means over 600 ABs he will get one base 200 times. Its been 6 games and his first stint in the AL, be patient we will need him if we are going to win. If Pierre gets 600 AB's, we aren't winning anything.

Kotsay hurts the lineup less than Pierre.

7 Kotsay 4 Beckham B Quentin 3 Konerko 5 Teahen 8 Rios 9 Jones 2 AJP 6 Vizquel Pierre will lead the league in outs if he plays everyday. His role has to be diminished.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Apr 10, 2010 -> 09:07 AM) The "freaking" is because this is "Guillen's type of team" and not a typical AL team we have succeeded with. We all knew the histories of people brought in offensivly, and so far, the history is consistant with what we expected. We still are leaving too many on base-we were told this style and these players would help in that dept-it hasnt so far I don't think this is Ozzie's type of team. I believe he's providing cover for the organization when he says that. For example, I think the front office said something like "we have $4M to spend on a left fielder, who do you like?" The choices weren't that great given the financial constraints. As far as Ozzie's rotating DH's, I just think he didn't want Thome back, but did not want to come out and say that he thought Thome was washed up. If they would've landed Damon there would've been no Kotsay/Jones platoon.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Mar 24, 2010 -> 05:29 PM) He's not going to throw too much harder than 91-92 If that's the case, and I think you're right, they're going to have to get a new closer. I just don't see Jenks being effective in that range.

Jenks velocity not there 89-91.

Beckham needs to eep the 3B glove handy.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 23, 2010 -> 04:55 PM) 1) That production can very easily be made up for in CF with Rios's bat, at 2B with Beckham's bat, and possibly at SS with Ramirez's bat. Those are all generally regarded with defense as the priority. Sure, you want offense from your offensive positions, but above anything you want a good lineup, and that is something the Sox can put out there. 2) It's insane to think they'll get that type of production out of the DH spot, and even mentioning it is quite ridiculous. What the Sox could very easily get is a .390 OBP out of Quentin and a .370 OBP out of Beckham. They could also get .350 or so out of Rios, .350 out of Konerko and a few others in the .330's. There may also be surprises too. It's just hard to gauge at this point in time. 3) I don't like Pierre either, but he's the least of my concerns. Atleast there's a safe assumption as to what type of numbers he can put up. The problem is they are going to be so outgunned by the opposing team in left and at DH that it will negate whatever advantage they may have in the center of the diamond. The gamble I think is that they believe they'll be able to hang in the division race and pick up a hitter at the trade deadline. Time will tell.

Dull game, here are my odds for closer at end of season: Thornton 3-1 Jenks 10-1 Pena 10-1 Putz 20-1 Santos 50-1

QUOTE (Ranger @ Mar 23, 2010 -> 02:03 PM) That has nothing to do with the lineup. If .330 is acceptable for a leadoff hitter, it doesn't make a bit of difference if the leadoff hitter plays LF or SS. Two points Ranger: 1.) I think you'd agree that LF is an offensive position. You're already giving up power with Pierre so a .330 OBP should be unacceptable, heck .340 isn't great. 2.) Cabrera's .334 OBP was backed by Thome's .372 and Quentin's .394. IF they get that type on base Quentin and the DH spot this I'll grudgingly live with Pierre at .330.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 23, 2010 -> 01:04 PM) Almost certainly not. .340 isnt' awful. Cabrera only put up a .334 in 2008 and we still took the division with a decent offense. If he's putting up a .310, maybe, because that would be a real legit slump. A lot will depend on their record, but my wish is that they have a short leash with Pierre. You can put up with a .334 from Cabrera because he played short. Pierre has got to be '05 Podsednik at the start and the team has to get off to a very good start.

One of the worries I have with the offense is if Pierre isn't getting on base at least at a .340 clip, will they make a change.