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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2013 -> 09:20 AM) Robin, if you really care about this job, make your players actually look like it next year. You pulled it off before. When you talk about the defensive slippage from last year to this, isn't it mainly Ramirez we are talking about here? He got pretty decent grades for a guy who was so awful in the field.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 26, 2013 -> 01:48 PM) Runs, walks, strikeouts, hits allowed, ERA. They are all around average. Also, White Sox pitchers historically have pitched better at home than on the road, so I kind of blow off park factor. Roger Bossard doesn't get enough credit for his ability to tailor a mound as he should.

C. Sale-A J. Crain-A J. Quintana-B+ A. Garcia- B H. Santiago- B- C. Gillaspie- C+ J. Peavy- C M. Lindstrom- C A. Rios- C M. Thornton- C N. Jones- C D. Viciedo- C A. Rienzo- C G. Beckham- C- A. De Aza- C- D. Veal- C- A. Reed- D+ A. Dunn- D+ A. Ramirez- D J. Keppinger- D J. Phegley- D T. Flowers- D P. Konerko- D D. Axelrod- D Ventura D Cooper B- Manto D

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 25, 2013 -> 12:10 PM) I would absolutely have agreed with you... Until I watched the 2012 White Sox follow up the 2011 White Sox. You re-posted a tweet about the Sox possibly being the first team since the 1915 Philadelphia A's to go from having the best fielding percentage to the worst from one year to the next. They were managed by some guy named Connie Mack.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 24, 2013 -> 07:55 PM) I really wonder if Dunn's going to retire They have money to burn, he can't be on the team next year. Throw your paying customer a bone and end this thing.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 06:02 PM) For an average player, for example, a mid-rotation starter. fair enough.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:56 PM) A guy getting called up a month after his 25th birthday is a very normal schedule. A very normal schedule for what? A back-of-the-rotation starter.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:44 PM) What about his stuff makes you think "Back of the rotation starter"? Fastball was a plus pitch in the low 90's, solid breaking ball already developed, needs some work on his other fastball pitches (work which, of course, he will not get out of the bullpen since he'd just be throwing the fastball and the curve). His age and his minor league career tell me he's a back-of-the-rotation prospect. You obviously disagree.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:35 PM) Keep in mind why I hate this so much. We've tried it repeatedly and it keeps not working. We stuck Sale in the bullpen in 2011 and in 2012, when we really needed him, his arm flared up in April (nearly pushing him back to the bullpen permanently), his ERA went from 2.19 in the first half to 4.03 in the second half, and they were forced to skip starts regularly because his arm wasn't conditioned for it (putting more stress on the rest of the rotation). Then we did the same thing with Santiago. He didn't pick up any extra velocity, he had one good month out of the pen this year but was overall not extremely effective out of the bullpen (3.93 ERA, 1.47 WHIP) and when moved to the rotation, we suddenly found...OMG he's poorly conditioned to be a starter, he's wearing out at the end of the season, and he hasn't developed his offspeed stuff as much as we'd hoped he would. You put Rienzo out there, the end result is going to be...he's not conditioned to be a starter and he won't develop his offspeed stuff as much as he should. You'll set him back a full season or more. Either put him in AAA or trade him. Every time we do this the result is completely predictable. With a back-of-the-rotation type prospect like Rienzo, I think the best place for him to develop is the pen. If he shows very good or better success leave him there and change his rle. Otherwise, let him develop while being the long man.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:25 PM) Except, apparently, in 2012 for the White Sox. How were they in 2011?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:18 PM) Please, tell me then why you believe the quality of fundamental play on the field this year by the Chicago White Sox is at least "acceptable". I never said it was, but bad players don't play fundamentally sound baseball.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 05:07 PM) LOL, this is Greg-worthy. No one wanted Albert Pujols either. He's complete trash. Obviously. No need to think about their contract status. Pujols's HOF chances are ruined, he should be cut. Rios got us a pretty solid return altogether particularly when no money was included. You're just upset that the White Sox still have Cuban players on the roster. You're one of those stat people who when their conclusion is so off the mark they blame the manager instead of their "analysis".

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 04:58 PM) WTF? The position player they needed to trade...they traded. Oh yeah, wait, this is another complaint about how they didn't release Alexei. Ramirez, Dunn, nobody wanted them. Rios was a give away when he was being tauted by many in the media and on this message board as "the best bat on the market." You're just upset that your preseason prediction was so off.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 04:51 PM) But you know what? It didn't work. Whatever they did do, it was so ineffective that they dragged the entire team out before a game in May to start doing basics like "hitting the cutoff man" again. So feel free to tell me that they did other things than play drinking games...because the results on the field speak for themselves. This looks like a team where every fundamentals practice in spring training was replaced by a drinking game. Whatever they did, we got stuck with the results. They were a total failure. Ever think that maybe the reason why they're telling how "man, these guys did so much work on fundamentals" in the spring is that everyone recognizes how poor the actual fundamentals on the field are, so they're covering for people? This trade deadline where the Sox could not give their position players away was very telling.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 04:39 PM) It's more the "How" for me. I wouldn't be nearly as angry about being here if guys had been hurt like they were early in the year and that kept going the whole year to create a 60 win team. It's the idiocy. It's the lack of focus. If I diagrammed a blueprint of "what a team looks like when its manager gave up before the season started", this would be it. Bad teams play bad baseball.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 04:29 PM) And yet in more than a few cases the exact same players made significantly more bonehead, unfocused, idiotic plays in 2013 than they made in 2012 while playing for the same manager. Same guy, different results. Let's just say we disagree over the talent level of this roster.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 04:19 PM) And their level of preparation and interest and focus this season. The ability to focus is a skill and goes into player evaluation.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 22, 2013 -> 04:07 PM) Based on what happened in Cleveland, Terry Francona? The White Sox record is an accurate reflection of the player personnel they have.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 21, 2013 -> 10:34 PM) Man reed sucks Throwing 91-93 mph.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2013 -> 09:33 PM) Granderson's name is mentioned in this http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...ws&c_id=cws I still can't believe how insulting it is that they say they're dedicated to spending the money they'll have for the draft/international signings. That should have been the case no matter what the payroll ended at this season. Agreed. Like Hahn's draft WAR defense.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2013 -> 09:24 PM) Well said. It's astonishing that the manager/hitting coach/pitching coach seem to have their jobs heading into next year. I get the feeling that Manto will be gone. As far as Ventura goes, I think Sox management owes him 2014. They knew he'd be a work in progress when they hired him.

Reed can close for a team that loses 100 games . . .

QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Sep 20, 2013 -> 01:19 PM) I love Paulie but the idea of dumping Dunn to make room for him is ludicrous. Paulie was ALREADY on borrowed time when he had the last two good seasons; now age and injury are becoming insurmountable. I idea of dumping Dunn just to... dump Dunn is also a non-starter, unless you get something of value of him, which you won't. Send Paulie off in style, realize that Dunn is here one more year, and build around that. Amirite, people? Why would you want to keep a player who nobody would offer anything of value for?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 20, 2013 -> 12:39 PM) Dump Dunn to make a spot for Paul Konerko? Now I know you are just trolling. get rid of them both as far as I'm concerned.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 20, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) Letting Dunn go also doesn't advance the franchise in any way, shape, or form. It gives them a landing spot for Konerko.