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Darvish has dominated righties this year. It's too bad AJ isn't healthy and maybe Hudson given a start to break up the string of 6 straight righties in the order.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:44 PM) That might be a good thing. The last thing we need is for him to really f*** up the shoulder and not pitch for another year. Yep, especially considering it's likely he'd struggle when he returns just based on inactivity and strength.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:43 PM) I don't think we will be seeing Danks until feb.. Nor should we, IMO

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:28 PM) why are they trying to trade shields if theyre only 2 1/2 back in the wild card? Supposedly he's had a falling out with their pitching coach. Also, he's going to make 20 million or so the next two years, which is a lot for a team with Tampa's payroll. And the final reason is that Tampa wants to be able to use him as trade bait to bring in more talent. Considering Tampa's view on relievers, I can't see them viewing Reed as the prize return in a trade.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:23 PM) There's no f***ing way we should trade Reed for Shields. Jones and Mitchell, maybe. I would trade Reed straight-up for Shields, but I'm sure Tampa would want more. As I mentioned earlier, Tampa is desperate for catching prospects.

Zambrano's on the market...oh boy

Flowers facing Yu should be pretty entertaining

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:34 PM) Uh. No he wont for the fact he is under control for the next 2 years. If Sheilds is traded the Rays will get a far better pacakage than the Brewers. A team is much more likely to include top prospects for a guy they have for multiple years than a 2 month rental. Pretty logical. I agree with you on this

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:51 PM) Dempster and his fragile self has never been out of the lowly NL central, furthermore has never been out of the national league. Zach on the other hand has won a Cy Young award in the American League and has a great history against the teams we would have to get through to make the playoffs/WS. And that's not saying the night and day difference in quality of stuff the both possess. Ryan Dempster isn't in the same category as ZG and we all know that. Please stop acting like Grienke is just some ho-hum pitcher. Just like how many have argued this is a career year for Dempster, Greinke's fantastic CY season looks like a career year as well. He's never come close to matching that season. Dempster is incredibly underrated on here if you're looking for a 10 game stretch run from a pitcher.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:43 PM) Bored at work went into Gameday and flipped through the cubs stats. Other than baby Jesus Rizzo that lineup is embarrassing. I did not realize that Soto was under .200. Ole Starlin in the .280's which is good but with that defense and lock of OBP nothignto write home about. It is amazing how much Soto has flopped since his ROY season.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:40 PM) The "Travis Wood is the real deal" crowd sure has quieted. ERA nearing 5. Still better than Nestor Molina

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:36 PM) Greinke is the only difference maker on the market. Johnson and Garza are a level beneath, don't want either. Why is Greinke considered better than Dempster?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 07:29 PM) I'm just not sure I wouldn't rather just roll with Humber over a guy like Blanton or the like...Humber looked decent in his first start back, and I'm not convinced he can't show us something...I'd like to see one more start out of him before I give away a decent piece for an average arm at best. I agree with you, but the problem is this weekend isn't exactly a good match-up for him to save his job.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:56 PM) I tend to find that the norm in professional sports. Money guys tend to play more. I usually stay away from most reality shows because they are staged and it was obvious watching this clip. Much of the pace an understanding of the conversations is lost when they bleep out Ozzie's profanity. Less profanity. The Franchise might be the least staged reality show out there

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:58 PM) You'd get far more in return for Sale than Felix with all that money owed. I couldn't disagree more. It's not like Felix is signed to a bad contract, and with Sale's stamina/injury/longevity concerns, I'd be stunned if Felix didn't have significantly more trade value.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:55 PM) Remember we're saving them 45+ million dollars too. And so would any of the other teams that could offer them significantly better prospects/young MLB talent than what the Sox could. Just like with the Greinke deal I commented on earlier, could you imagine what the reaction on here would be if KW traded the best pitcher in baseball for two guys that were minor league free agents, a 2nd baseman that's been a bust and a non-top 100 outfield prospect?

QUOTE (WHarris1 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 06:54 PM) I would gladly include both Viciedo and Quintana, and anything the hell else they want. If the Sox wanted Felix Hernandez, it would probably have to be a deal involving Sale and Viciedo.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:42 PM) Can't give up both Quintana and Viciedo. Quintana, ADA, Beckham, Mitchell. Go. For Felix? Not a chance in hell would Seattle do that.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) I don't think so. Borjos and Conger, which it isn't clear whether the Angels have offered all of that or not, is not enough to land Greinke or Dempster. The Rays don't have to trade Shields though, however, it would appear the Rays would move him for a couple quality MLB pieces vs. your franchises #1 prospect. Didn't Tampa turn down Anaheim's offer though?

QUOTE (Cali @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:51 PM) Shields for Flowers + Mitchell/Walker something like that... And Quintana and Reed? Shields will cost more than Greinke or Dempster, etc.

Tampa desperately wants a catching prospect

BTW, Greinke had a 6.48 ERA in 3 postseason starts last year.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 05:00 PM) I guess I just disagree. IMO ZG is worth a gamble on a very good team, in a year where Baseball Is very much wide open for the first time in a while. And it's not like they guy is going to combust, he has proven to be an ace pitcher his whole career. Including a playoff run with the Brewers. He is a competitor and would relish the chance to help a first place team go to the playoffs and maybe win a championship. And by the way make himself a little money in the process. Money I think we would pay of we WIN. He's been an "ace" one year in his entire career. He might be the most overrated pitcher in baseball given his career stats.

Heyman didn't seem to know who the Brewers wanted specifically from the Sox for Greinke. He mentioned names like Quintana, Reed and Santiago. He also mentioned the Brewers don't like our minor leaguers.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) How happy is anyone going to be if the Sox trade any of the mentioned for Greinke and his issues either cause him to be average or the Sox don't win and he walks? KW has been grilled on this board for giving away crappy minor leaguers for major leaguers. Now many people want him to give up his top young players for a guy who is very talented, but a head case, and for 10 starts. If he doesn't lead to Sox to where they want to go and he skates away, it would be a huge error. And that's why a handful of posters on here hope the Braves go out and land Greinke.