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QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:48 PM) This was the trade back then the Brewers had with the Royals: The Royals receive speedy outfielder Lorenzo Cain, young shortstop Alcides Escobar and pitching prospects Jeremy Jeffress and Jake Odirizzi for Greinke and veteran shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt, who presumably will take Escobar's place in the Brewers' infield. Kansas City will also send $2 million in the deal to Milwaukee to cover part of the salary of Betancourt, who is to make $4 million this year and has a $2-million buyout in 2012. IMO not in of the guys they received in return are perennial All-Stars and aren't players you can build a team around. If the Sox trade them Floyd and Beckham the Brewers have a replacement for Betancourt in Beckham and a coat controlled SP who could be dominate in the NL. Let's not kid ourselves here, Floyd has nasty stuff. When he is on he is unhittable. It's not like the Brewers are getting some slouch. Gavins problem is in between his ears most of the time. And it turns out the Brewers have success with pitchers like that, see Zach Grienke. And if the Sox throw in Castro or Hernandez they have a young prospect with a high upside. Escobar sure looks like a future all-star, and Odirizzi is one of the best pitching prospects in the game.

If the Sox traded huge pieces of their future for someone like Greinke for only and year and a half of his services, and then traded him away for an underachieving starting pitcher with one year left on his deal and an underachieving second baseman who's a possible non-tender candidate, I don't think anyone on here would be happy.

Verlander with 2 runs or less in 8 of last 9 starts, including tonight (hopefully this jinxes him)

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 02:04 AM) If the White Sox can justify and survive trading Gio Gonzalez for Swisher, they can withstand trading Viciedo and Reed for Geinke when a postseason birth is at stake. 10 games for Greinke as opposed to getting Swisher at the time with 4 years left on his contract....huge difference

Castro got shelled tonight. W-S definitely the most intriguing team to follow right now.

Nice start to the career of Starling Marte

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 09:09 PM) Those were my thoughts exactly. Yea Jones is cheaper but K Rod might be someone that is included. And truthfully is not a horrible option down the stretch over an unproven rookie. KRod has been terrible this season. Give me Q and Reed/Jones over Greinke and KRod

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 07:40 PM) The only reason I said that about Peavy is because any thought of him coming back would be wiped out if we skipped over him for Greinke. Jake still thinks he's the Cy Young pitcher, not the current (very good) version of Jake Peavy. And in no way do I think paying Jake Peavy anything above $15 million makes any sense. And he's going to get better offers than $11 million and one year...figuring in the buyout cost. I hope Sox let Peavy walk after this year, especially given the insane workload he's taking on this season. With Hamels signing the big extension, it increases Peavy's value this offseason even more.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:39 PM) Based on a whole 2 games? 3 games, 16 innings-19 earned runs Not what you'd expect from a guy who was one of the best pitchers on the planet during that time period. Almost idential numbers in the postseason to that of Javy Vazquez.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:37 PM) He also seems to be the best available starter that no one is talking about. Where's our Liriano?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 07:33 PM) But you're going to use Sale in that wildcard game, arguably. It wouldn't be Greinke. And good luck telling Peavy he's not starting after being on the team for 3+ years if for some reason Sale isn't still pitching at that point in the season. Well, we all know how awesome Peavy is in postseason/tiebreak games. It's unlikely that the Sox would be in a position to shuffle their rotation around to line up the starter they want for that one game anyways.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 07:23 PM) I wonder if the Sox would be willing to trade Ramirez. Milwaukee wants a SS, and eventually move Beckham to SS. I've been thinking that a team would trade for Beckham this offseason and try to move him to SS (or possibly 3b if they have a hole there). I wouldn't be shocked if the Cubs were interested in him, as both the Padres and Red Sox were rumored to have interest in him in the past.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 07:01 PM) The Brewers are definitely not rebuilding. They are making changes that help them win now, Melvin said it. The NL central is horrible, and they know if they win they pack the stadium. And winning isn't exactly difficult in the Central. Sorry, should have clarified...when I said youth movement, I didn't mean single A prospects with a chance to help in 2015. More like young, cost-controlled players that can help out starting next year or 2014. That team has no pitching at all outside of Gallardo and Fiers and one of the worst bullpens in a long time. They would be fools to spend their money on Hamilton when they need to make upgrades to their pitching. As for the NL Central, the Reds should be pretty damn good the next few years.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:55 PM) The Brewers are not in a youth movement if they are going after Hamilton in the offseason a trade for Floyd fills a need young pitching is not guaranteed to do. Floyd is exactly what the Brewers need. Brewers are absolutely in a youth movement if they're trying to trade Greinke, Aramis and Hart, as well as losing Marcum in the offseason. Who do they have left after Braun, Weeks (ugh) and Gallardo? The last two years was their window, and they just couldn't didn't have enough to beat the Cards last year and could never get on track this year.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:53 PM) I feel so bad that they expect him to close games. Such a weird expectation for him Oh I completely agree that Bell has no business still being their closer. However, the "amazing conversation" him and Ozzie had from the first episode didn't seem to help their relationship much.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:49 PM) Well they are interested in something KW is throwing at them. With all reports out there saying we are heavily involved. If we had nothing they wanted the continued pursuit would have stopped and We would have moved on. Well yeah if KW is massively overpaying with major league talent when most of the other teams have more resources in the minors to use.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) I'm not advocating trading him, but De Aza will probably only be a bargain for two more years. Which is pretty damn good and important when you consider the big contracts the Sox have on the books the next two years.

KW's goal should really be to find a solid starter that can fit the #5 spot, as even when Danks returns, there's no guarantee he'll be effective or that Sale won't be shut down. In finding this #5, it should be for someone they can get without trading anyone of importance from the MLB roster (Jones is only person expendable off the roster, IMO).

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 05:35 PM) Who would you rather include in a package I guess along with Floyd? Beckham or DeAza? Maybe we Nijer Morgan or another Kenny favorite Carlos Gomez along with Grienke?? Brewers probably want nothing to do with Floyd. They'd be more interested in possible prosects the Sox could get for Floyd, and even then, I don't think Floyd gets you top 75 prospects. If you look at some of the names the Brewers are asking for (Manny Machado, Teherean, etc.), a lot of these trade packages suggested for Greinke on this site make no sense.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) I wouldn't mind trading De Aza. I'm still not sold on him, and I don't think JorDanks has looked that bad at all in his 4 at-bats a week. The downgrade from ADA to JorDanks is much greater than replacing someone like Floyd with Greinke.

If you watched the episode last night, Heath Bell doesn't exactly care for the way management has handled him this year.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 04:24 PM) I don't think it's been quiet at all...I think he's been the MVP of the offense...he's been hitting like a machine for about 3 months now. Notice how much power he's hit for ever since he took my advice to pull the ball more?

My biggest concern with trading Q for Greinke is that there's a solid chance Q performs just as good as Greinke does the rest of the way. Q has already dominating some of the best lineups in baseball.

My DVR cut off before the last few minutes, but I was expecting a lot worse after reading this thread. It was nothing terrible that the Guillen's said. If anything, it was annoying that 80% of the show focused on Ozzie and his family instead of focusing on the players (which is always the best part of these shows).

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 26, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) This potential deal scares me, I don't want to lose any long term major league pieces for 2 mths of Grienke, and I definitely don't want to sign him to a >$20mm/yr deal. Completely agree, I hope the Braves trade for him. I don't want to see the Sox give up Reed and someone like Quintana or Viciedo for 10 games of Greinke.