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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 20, 2010 -> 08:54 PM) You said: 1. People say "Morel shouldn't be used as a throw-in in a trade because he has a lot of value to us". 2. This statement angers you. 3. You point out that other people actually do seem to value Morel somewhat highly, based on the ranking you gave. 4. You took this to mean that Morel has value to other teams. 5. The step you missed...if Morel has significant value to other teams, then going back to 1; he shouldn't be used just as a "Throw-in" in a deal. He ought to be only dealt if he nets something of value back directly. I probably shouldn't have used Morel as my example, as his status actually blew up this season as a prospect. A better example would have been Flowers after last season. His stock dropped around baseball, but he was actually still a very important prospect for the Sox due to the impending FA status of AJP. There were a lot of other catching prospects ranked above Flowers (the 100 Yankees catching prospects, Ramos, Castro, etc.), so if he was in a deal, it might seem to the Sox like they're giving up a lot but the other teams likely don't value him as much.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 20, 2010 -> 09:38 PM) But that argues quite effectively that the statement Morel should not be a throw-in in another deal is 100% correct. No idea what this is asking, and now I'm concerned I didn't articulate my post as accurately as I wanted. Another thing that frustrates me about how some perceive our minor league system is an argument like this "we might not have good starting pitching in the minors, but we have a handful of good relief arms". No one really cares about relievers in the minors.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 20, 2010 -> 08:37 PM) That being said, I find it a bit disappointing that when a prospect of ours is hyped a bit, there are those that will immediately discount him as flawed and overrated. Even more disappointing to me is the fact that often times, those posters that pointed out the flaws in those prospects are the first to criticize Kenny when that player is later traded. Seems a bit hypocritical in my opinion. There's been plenty of prospects that I've been on the bandwagon for, most notably Beckham and others. What frustrates me is when some of the people on this board don't realize that just because a player is a decent prospect in our system, that doesn't mean they're actually considered a prospect in the overall scheme of MLB. One of my favorite things to say during trade deadline talk is that we shouldn't trade some of our prospects (perfect example is Morel), as the player is probably more valuable to the Sox than they are as a throw-in in another deal because the other team won't value them as high. I do have to say that Morel's #11 ranking in BA for his minor league division (AA, I think) was impressive, as the list was loaded with prospect superstars.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 20, 2010 -> 06:45 PM) we give up premium talent to get these guys and then dump 'em off on another team when ozzie doesn't like them for mediocre packages. I couldn't agree more, it's probably been the most frustrating part of the last 3 years.

The Javy Vazquez return has been extremely disappointing so far.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 20, 2010 -> 05:21 PM) phillies offense ain't been right all year. I assumed it was all the injuries. But even at full strength they're still struggling. I still can't believe they gave Ryan Howard all that money. Whenever I watch Howard, he seems to be an easy out.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 20, 2010 -> 03:41 PM) The Question is: Would some of the Anti-Ozzie people on this site be willing to take on Ryno as the next Sox skipper? Not if he's addicted to small ball like he's been in the minors. Quade was a solid hire for the Cubs. The players like him, and he's great at putting out well-constructed lineups.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 18, 2010 -> 07:40 PM) ok, I thought maybe I was just noticing it. Good to know there are others. Heard ZZ last night saying that after the Giants debacle, the Bears offense responded with a great offensive game vs Carolina. Had to laugh at that.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 19, 2010 -> 05:39 PM) They've got a bevy of premium pitching prospects not too far away from The Show. They need offense like I need crack. I saw they released Melky today. Wouldn't shock me to see Cabrera with the Sox next year, as he's always been rumored to be a KW favorite.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 19, 2010 -> 04:25 PM) It'll be interesting to see where everyone ends up, because apparently Grienke is on the market too now, which could really affect where Lee gets the best offer. I've always felt that when Greinke gets traded, it will be to Atlanta.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Oct 19, 2010 -> 04:39 AM) gonna vomit when the yanks sign him. Much rather they get him than the Tigers or Twins, two teams that he's been linked to this upcoming offseason.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 18, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) ok, I thought maybe I was just noticing it. Good to know there are others. Could he be compromised by being paid by the Bears to host a show about the Bears show on the Score? Of course, as well as literally standing right behind these guys on the sideline during all the games and trying to get some scoop from them.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 16, 2010 -> 08:10 PM) There are still alot of question marks with Illinois and OSU, they are both relying heavily on young players. I would say they are both top 10 teams, not sure about top 5. MSU is still the team to beat IMO. Illinois has 3 starters that are seniors. You won't find that very often in college basketball. I'm stunned to see any publication or expert not pick Duke to be #1. Michigan State over them? Say what?

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 18, 2010 -> 08:13 PM) Dose anyone else think Zach Zaidman is too much of a Bears cheerleader? He's almost always positive about the Bears. Absolutely, he's TERRIBLE. Never says a bad word about anything relating to the Bears. Hell, he makes Chris Rongey seem like a Sox pessimist.

Tillman got destroyed all day by Williams, who is a strong receiver but nowhere near fast enough to get as open as he did. Also, he got juked out a few times by Lynch. After the game, Tillman even said he was at a loss for words for how his man got open so much.

Our big name players all struggled today...Briggs is far and away the leader of this defense, and you could sense the struggle with him out. Cutler has got to improve his awareness with Martz in charge, and that was one of the worst games of Tillman's career. Huge loss for them today though.

The more I look at the talent around the country, there's no reason for Illinois not to be a top 5 team this season. Sucks for Hummel...Purdue just went from a top 10 team to a top 30 team.

Is Ron Washington high? All these pitching match-ups to end up with Holland facing a bunch of righties.

There's a rumor from a well-placed Illinois source on their rivals page about how some former SIU players are going to talk to the media and/or NCAA in an effort to get the program in trouble. Rowand and company, are you guys hearing anything about this?

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Oct 13, 2010 -> 01:30 AM) In terms of pure skill, you can make an argument Clausen was #1. Overall though, Bradford was #1 with a bullet. Pure skill with Clausen? The only thing he can do well is throw a deep ball. His arm strength has never been above average, and he has no mobility.

Pretty cool that Rangers are celebrating with Ginger Ale so that Hamilton can go into the clubhouse.

Tampa has a lot of work to do this offseason to give themselves a decent lineup for next year. The bottom of their order was pathetic for a playoff team.

Rumors all over the internet that Pearl will resign tomorrow

I did love the tits vs ass and Jews vs Muslims comparisons.

2nd episode continues to stand out from the other episodes this season, as episode 3 didn't make me laugh all that much and the ending was really weird.