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Forgot to mention earlier that according to Terry Boers' "guy" with the Sox, the Sox want nothing to do with Thome being back in 2010.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 12:28 AM) Pierre sucks. This trade sucks. The way the Sox have spent their money sucks. Ozzie's rotation of crappy players for a DH sucks. This whole offseason sucks. We're not a National League ballclub and we do not play in a pitcher's paradise. The trade is fine as long as there's another move coming.

Don't get me wrong, if we're just going to go with Kotsay/Jones at DH, then by all means, sign Thome for 2 million dollars.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 12:14 AM) Then why not sign Thome for a third or a half of the price? Because he's not Godzilla? Matsui hit .282 against LHP and .271 against RHP last season. Thome hit .209 against LHP and .262 against RHP last season. Matsui also hit 50 points higher with RISP, and doesn't seem to injure himself every time he runs out a ground ball.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 11:09 PM) Nothing wrong with a rotating DH to keep guys fresh, just make sure we are talking about starting caliber players being a part of this combo. The Angels have excelled with this approach over the years, but they also aren't running a bunch of s*** out there either. That's a great point. It's like when teams try to go Closer-by-committee. That works great when you have the Nasty Boys and have talented performers. It doesn't work so good when you have a bunch of mediocre players in the committee.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 11:01 PM) Didn't he get 6.5 million? sorry, I meant 6.5 million

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 10:52 PM) Even if that were to happen, would you rather go out and sign Vlad or Matsui and not have the flexibility we have now with Jones/Pierre/Vizquel and Putz? Because signing one of the few players available would have meant none of these other moves. Matsui got 3.5 millioin, so you're basically talking not having Jones/Pierre/Omar. I would have much rather the Sox had Matsui and Putz. I don't even dislike Pierre.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 11:41 PM) They'll sign Thome before they go with Kotsay at DH. Jesus Christ. We're just reacting to what Ozzie's saying. I don't think what he's saying is accurate, as KW isn't that dumb. But when you start getting people rationalizing that Kotsay/Jones could work as a DH tandem, that's when comments need to be made.

QUOTE (jphat007 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 10:37 PM) Hey, at least we have Alex Rios in CF. At this point, I'd rather have your boy Nix at DH than a combo of Kotsay/Jones.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 10:35 PM) You're certainly banking a lot on two aging veterans, that's for sure. However, the possibility of them producing isn't out of the question. What's Kotsay going to produce? Even if he overachieves, you're looking at probably .275 and 15 homers. Not exactly a lot of thump from your DH.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 10:28 PM) When your manager has a National League mentality? (how many times have you heard Ozzie described in this manner?) When you don't plan on acquiring a 'true dh' and instead will play said bench players everyday in lieu of a 'true dh'. I love when I have you on my side of the argument.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 11:22 PM) I wouldn't say that. We strengthened our bench, most likely made late inning relief better, and came up with a marginal leadoff man. You can do a lot worse. It's the American League, since when is the bench really that important? I would have rather the 3.5 million we used on Kotsay/Jones/Vizquel gone towards getting a DH if the money is really that tight.

Well, I just pray that Ozzie's not the one making decisions about our personnel. I said this earlier today, but if Pierre's the last impact player we add, this offseason has been an absolute disaster.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 09:41 PM) Flowers or Mike Redmond will be the guy. Ozzie loves Redmond and I think they will ultimately go that route. Redmond is very good defensively and is very familiar with the division. Can he be a back-up first baseman also?

Isn't Boston in great shape to get Gonzalez now since they signed Lackey and Cameron?

QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) 3. A .663 OPS last season 4. Huge concerns about what caused his huge dropoff in production and freak injuries

Carlos Delgado

QUOTE (The Critic @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 07:10 PM) Given the past glories of recent pickups, my guess is.......Willie Stargell? The biggest upset of the offseason is that we didn't sign Ivan Rodriguez

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 07:33 PM) The Mariners are building a team and have reportedly kicked the tires around Jenks. Phillies could do the same. I heard yesterday the Mariners were interested in Valverde, FWIW

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 06:26 PM) I think there will be one more big move for a power bat... even if we have to trade Jenks to save $$$ Jenks is staying in Chicago. There's no market for him, as there's still guys like Valverde and Gonzalez left and not a lot of teams needing a closer.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 06:10 PM) IMO, we'll be saying goodbye to at least one of our top prospects before this winter is over. I really hope it's Jordan Danks, but I could live with using Flowers as a main trade piece.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 05:51 PM) I'm told the Sox are working hard on adding another bat. Expecting us to hear something soon?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 06:46 PM) KW isnt done yet BTW. I just hope this was the marginal bat I heard about. Maybe I missed your earlier post, but what did you say about a marginal bat? What else did you hear about with regards to acquiring a bat?

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 06:45 PM) this could be the end of the offseason for kw and if it is id like to see 1. Pierre LF 2. Becks 2b 25HR 3. Rios CF 25HR 4. CQ RF/DH 30HR 5. Kong 1B 30HR 6. AJP C 10HR 7. Jones RF/DH 25HR 8. Teahan 3B 20HR 9. Ramirez SS 20HR get 15 homers from the bench and you got your 200 homers to go along with a pretty good staff If this is the end of the offseason for KW, then he did a horrible job. Thankfully there's a lot of DH type players still available, so I'm confident it's not the end of the offseason.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Dec 15, 2009 -> 06:42 PM) If Kenny can bring Thome back for one more year on the cheap, I'll be pleased with this off-season. I can't believe people still want to see Thome back on the Sox.