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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 22, 2009 -> 02:40 AM) Seriously, I don't like wishing ill upon others, but I will laugh if anything bad happens to this douche bag. Like a crippling Carpal Tunnel injury from jerking off to pictures of Wrigley Field?

I still feel like the Sox will select an outfielder with their first pick. Besides Danks, we're really lacking in that position in our farm system.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 22, 2009 -> 01:20 AM) If it were such a steal, why didn't the White Sox agree to pick up the option? Could you imagine the amount of players we'd have to unload over the next few years if we had that albatross lurking in 2013? Guys like Danks and Quentin would likely be looking at big contracts, and it would be hard to field a winning team with so much tied into one spot.

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 22, 2009 -> 01:16 AM) so now that this thing is off......and despite what Hahn said...i gotta think Poreda will be in the pen sooner than later replacing gobble...right? The thing is, the Sox have pretty defined roles. In games they're tied or winning after 6 innings, it's going to be Dotel/Thornton/Linebrink/Jenks. In games they're trailing, they just don't really care and will go to the inning eaters. Hell, I'd rather see Carrasco get a shot at starting and see if there's a chance in the world he can contribute there.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 22, 2009 -> 01:18 AM) Poreda just k'd 12 in seven. Colon just had an epic fail of a game today. If we're ever going to call up AP i want it as a starter. Hopefully, we can get a lefty for Betemit. What do you mean a lefty for Betemit? Like a LOOGY? Betemit has no trade value right now. You're better off finding a LOOGY on the waiver wire. Hell, Breslow was claimed a few days ago.

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 22, 2009 -> 02:13 AM) the javy deal is alot more acceptable than the swisher deal IMO I've publicly said here that people need to temper their enthusiasm about JorDanks, because he was still a 7th round pick that scouts had serious concerns over where his power went from his HS days, but I gotta admit...I'm starting to get pretty damn excited about this kid. He Ks alot, but he also has shown a great ability to get on base so far....hitting for high average and drawing a nice number of walks....23 in 150 ABs. I think he's got a shot at being a curtis granderson type player Daa, you know you're my boy, but don't worry about Danks draft slot. The MLB draft, as you know, is impossible to judge due to signability issues, etc. The day of the draft, the Danks family let it known that they were going to seek well above 2nd round money (where he was slotted to go). For once, this worked out in our favor.

BTW, I just want to thank everyone for a fantastic day on this board. I might get fired from work cause of lack of productivity, but just wanted to say thanks.

QUOTE (daa84 @ May 22, 2009 -> 01:05 AM) its somewhat sad that i look forward to checking Barons box scores as much as i do It's a nice positive thing to see after today's happenings.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:59 AM) The Braves trade is an absolute winner. KW deserves a medal for that. Why's that? Javy's doing a great job for the Braves. Gilmore, until recently, was doing horrible. Flowers is having a good, not spectacular season. I think Atlanta has to be pretty happy about that trade so far.

If it makes anyone feel better, Beckham and JorDanks homered already today.

Doesn't Axelrod represent a few Sox players?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:14 AM) I still think he will also target certain guys as the players he wants to keep and will be very reluctant to give up those guys. Beckham and Flowers are two guys specifically and Danks might fall in that mode simply due to the family connection and that fact that the older Bro is untouchable. And if we have chips and the ability to take on money, its a major plus. So you start thinking of guys he's targeted in the past. Carl Crawford could be a possibility, even though Tampa has a surplus of pitching prospects.

Did Dan Haren and/or Miguel Cabrera ever sign extensions?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:10 AM) To me, even if we traded all three of those guys, I could still list out 5 guys that would remain in the system with top 100 prospect value and another 5 guys with the potential to reach that group. And this is before we have a s***ton of selections. I'm so proud of what has gone on since the organization overhauled our system, namely bringing in Buddy Bell That's the thing...a strong farm system for the Sox means more trades for established players. KW has, and always will be, that type of GM. I think it's great, especially with our history of developing players for the big leagues as poor as it is.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:09 AM) about what I thought... to me that says if the Sox and Pads can agree on $$ so I get my 22m, I'll be on the next flight to O'Hare. He isn't coming here, and he won't come here. He'll wait until the offseason then to get traded to the Cubs or Braves.

QUOTE (tommy @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:08 AM) I have a feeling he ends up with the Cubs before deadline. Thanks for the effort Kenny, always trying to compete and that's good, let's do something about the s*** team I had to watch today play the Twins. If he makes the Cubs pick up that option, that would give them like 8 players locked up for that year around 150 mil. Not going to happen.

From espn.com As of right now, this is the best place for us to be. We made that decision for the time being," Peavy said before Thursday night's game against San Francisco.

Can I get a final decision about trademarking Jake p**** on this site? I could have sworn the filter wasn't picking up on it earlier.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:02 AM) I also hope that Kenny and his people do the right job and invest heavily in this draft, especially since many teams will be on budget constraints which means a team with some extra cash to spend could really really benefit by getting a great crop of potential. And for whomever said the 4 guys the Sox sending have a 2% of suceeding I'd call BS. I would be stunned if at least 1 of Richard/poreda didn't make it, let alone whomever the other two guys were. I'll stand by my statement that by the time this deal would have been up, one of Poreda/Richard/Hudson would put up better numbers in the AL than Peavy.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 22, 2009 -> 12:00 AM) Ya, had they defered some money, things would have been plausible, so basically put the Sox were willing to pick up a pretty significant amount of cash and while they didn't want to pick up the option as is, were willing to make a pretty tremendous compromise. I wonder if this heats up again or if Kenny moves on. My guess is you have to move on but who knows. I'd say there is possibly a small window of time where he might reconsider things if the Pads push hard enough in the next 24 hr's. But it sounds like the family made there decision. I also think if the Sox were in first place, the decision would have been a lot easier. I highly doubt Peavy is going to get super excited over the talks that we have a great farm system and that he was probably more interested in what the Sox were going to do and I'm sure the Sox didn't want to divulge all the info of there plans to Peavy, but maybe they did (I know they did that with Hunter and Dye and it might have bit em in the butt). I'd be shocked if KW ever talks to the Padres about Peavy again. This is a pretty embarrassing public rejection from Peavy.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:58 PM) However, it seems evident the Sox want superstar type players and that is where they will spend the money. No doubt we were interested in Abreu but didn't have the opening and no other guys were out there that truly intrigued the Sox. Although I'm still surprised they didn't dig on Hudson, but hey, Getz isn't the worse guy to gamble on. I expect the Sox to consider CF and the front of the rotation to be the two areas they target the most. Yep, I'm actually excited by the effort KW made today. KW deserves huge kudos for the improvements we've made to our farm system. Let's hope he makes some quality veteran for prospects trades in the coming months, as that's been his biggest downfall as a GM.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:55 PM) Getting Peavy would guarantee that Richard wouldn't be in the rotation and that Contreras and Count would get to fight over 1 spot instead of two. Getting Peavy would guarantee that we have a core starting staff at least 1-3 to build around. Getting Peavy would guarantee that we wouldn't have to score as many runs on any given fifth day. Getting Peavy would guarantee the fans that we're thinking about winning here, not a full rebuild. Getting a guy like that guarantees a lot, don't try to understate the value of proven starting pitching. He hasn't proven anything outside of Petco. Have you watched him pitch the last two years? His velocity is down a few MPH, and his slider doesn't have the tilt it once had. He's thrown a ridiculous amount of pitches his last 6 years...far more than any 27 year should with the torque he puts on his elbow. He's a good pitcher, but people have to stop making him out to be Johan Santana.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:55 PM) That's going to be the rub to this whole thing, if they flat out rejected I can understand it from a future planning POV, but I cannot comprehend why they let it get this far if they weren't willing to accept it or give a reasonable offer. He wasn't going to leave a team he signed a NTC with for exactly what he could get by staying there. No, the Sox were willing to re-work the deal, but Peavy wasn't interested in that, so the Sox flat out rejected the 22 mil option. Sorry for the confusion.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:53 PM) This deal was more for next year, its pretty obvious this year is done. And if Hudson and Poreda keep up their great minor league numbers, then maybe we can make an even better trade in the offseason? Could you imagine how great it would have been to have 15-20 million available for free agents last offseason towards the in?

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 21, 2009 -> 11:50 PM) It sounds like the Sox did in fact try to pick up the option, but they wanted to defer some money to allow that to happen. Pretty fair if you ask me. I heard they flat out rejected it, so it will be interesting to get confirmation.